Best all around wrestler from any generation

Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:03 pm

Lenny Decouteau from belcourt, terry decouteau, scott owens from dl, josey ness among others
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:05 pm

or doug zinke from rolla
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Postby aceofspades » Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:29 pm

Gee -- wonder which part of the state you hale from? :roll:
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby Hinsa » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:34 pm

Help me out - who was the wrestler from Lakota that won 5 state titles? I would say that merits a place in this discussion.
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:57 pm

Yeah your right, I am a little biased but I cant help it. I dont really pay that much attention to wrestling. sorry, I do know that ness and owens were tough though. Our wrestlers were always talking about those boys.
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Postby luvmy3gbb1wr » Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:29 pm

Paul Syvrud from Mandan, early to mid 80s in college at Jmst.......believe 3 time ND state champion, only lost 2 matches in college, both his freshman year, 3 time national champion.
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:09 pm

someone with that kind of talent should be coaching somewhere to pass the knowledge down to younger athletes. That is very impresive though, his accomplishments are amazing. :shock:
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Postby E@stern Executioner » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:19 pm

ndbsktbllfan wrote:someone with that kind of talent should be coaching somewhere to pass the knowledge down to younger athletes. That is very impresive though, his accomplishments are amazing. :shock:


Agreed. Every great wrestler makes a great coach. Plus, how could the guy turn down the kind of money that coaches are making these days?
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:11 pm

E@stern Executioner wrote:
ndbsktbllfan wrote:someone with that kind of talent should be coaching somewhere to pass the knowledge down to younger athletes. That is very impresive though, his accomplishments are amazing. :shock:


Agreed. Every great wrestler makes a great coach. Plus, how could the guy turn down the kind of money that coaches are making these days?

I dont know that coaches make a lot of money, especially high school coaches. But wrestling is a lot like basketball, not all players make good coaches, in this case I am probably wrong but wrestlers have a their own style of competing and that is what they tend to teach although the athletes that they are coaching might work better with other styles. do you agree?
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Postby E@stern Executioner » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:22 pm

ndbsktbllfan wrote:
E@stern Executioner wrote:
ndbsktbllfan wrote:someone with that kind of talent should be coaching somewhere to pass the knowledge down to younger athletes. That is very impresive though, his accomplishments are amazing. :shock:


Agreed. Every great wrestler makes a great coach. Plus, how could the guy turn down the kind of money that coaches are making these days?

I dont know that coaches make a lot of money, especially high school coaches. But wrestling is a lot like basketball, not all players make good coaches, in this case I am probably wrong but wrestlers have a their own style of competing and that is what they tend to teach although the athletes that they are coaching might work better with other styles. do you agree?


My post was sarcasm. Your's was correct - coaches do NOT get paid enough and great wrestlers do NOT always make great coaches.
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:25 pm

E@stern Executioner wrote:
ndbsktbllfan wrote:
E@stern Executioner wrote:
ndbsktbllfan wrote:someone with that kind of talent should be coaching somewhere to pass the knowledge down to younger athletes. That is very impresive though, his accomplishments are amazing. :shock:


Agreed. Every great wrestler makes a great coach. Plus, how could the guy turn down the kind of money that coaches are making these days?

I dont know that coaches make a lot of money, especially high school coaches. But wrestling is a lot like basketball, not all players make good coaches, in this case I am probably wrong but wrestlers have a their own style of competing and that is what they tend to teach although the athletes that they are coaching might work better with other styles. do you agree?


My post was sarcasm. Your's was correct - coaches do NOT get paid enough and great wrestlers do NOT always make great coaches.

of course though if you were to ask them, they wouldnt say they were in it for the money, just to be around the sport. That is having heart, and love for the sport. And to them, it is the best thing in the world. This is my opinion.
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby Franktv » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:33 pm

Luke Mellmer by far is the greatest North Dakota wrestler of all time. Seriously, look at this kids record :D :D :D :D :D :D :D . Unbeleivable!
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:35 pm

Franktv wrote:Luke Mellmer by far is the greatest North Dakota wrestler of all time. Seriously, look at this kids record :D :D :D :D :D :D :D . Unbeleivable!

so you think that luke was the best mellmer then? maybe, but they were all tough in their prime.
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Postby Franktv » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:06 pm

Yes, any of them could be considered in the top five easily. I just had the chance to watch Luke more than the others.
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:39 am

Franktv wrote:Yes, any of them could be considered in the top five easily. I just had the chance to watch Luke more than the others.

I think an arguement can be made for the sayler (hope that is spelled right) family as well.
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby goatspeed » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:38 pm

Hinsa wrote:Help me out - who was the wrestler from Lakota that won 5 state titles? I would say that merits a place in this discussion.


I think you are thinking of Dave Hilliard. You'd have to consider him or Mark Pazdernick (sp?). Dennis Friestad had a season where the only points he gave up were 2 penalty points. That's not 5x state championships, but that kind of domination can't be ignored.

This is kind of an impossible question to answer without some qualifications. Is it best in high school, or who was the best wrestler with highschool, college, and beyond?
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby ndbsktbllfan » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:46 pm

I was originally referring to high school, anything but the professional bull spit. But only 2 pts. all season, that is crazy impressive man. wow :shock:
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby hardcharger » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:41 pm

ndbsktbllfan wrote:Lenny Decouteau from belcourt, terry decouteau, scott owens from dl, josey ness among others

your leaving out kenneth pettie, strength speed and determination. one fine wrestler
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby Jwall512 » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:50 pm

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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby moomba320 » Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:34 am

You guys have to look at what they did after high school as the strongest measuring tool. Syvrud has a great record and championships but... Terry and Troy Steiner won multiple high school championships, both won a Division 1 National Championship and wrestled for Iowa. The titles at the highest level give them the nod in my opinion.
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Postby dowork » Tue May 05, 2009 11:04 pm

ndbsktbllfan wrote:Lenny Decouteau from belcourt, terry decouteau, scott owens from dl, josey ness among others


Josey ness got beat up by troy sabot. im gonna be a little bias too and say that the best wrestlers were the steiner brothers. kasey gillis has got to be near the top of the list too.
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby 10thousandfists2 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:22 pm

Alan Neer-84 Bismarck his son Zach Neer is try to be better than his father but not happening so far
Zach's credentials-05 doubled out 06 1-2 (the win was against his cousin Seth Neer) 07 5th place 08 2nd place

But no one in ND can beat Scott Schiller in recent years
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby theman » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:34 pm

10thousandfists2 wrote:Alan Neer-84 Bismarck his son Zach Neer is try to be better than his father but not happening so far
Zach's credentials-05 doubled out 06 1-2 (the win was against his cousin Seth Neer) 07 5th place 08 2nd place

But no one in ND can beat Scott Schiller in recent years

10thousand fists should not be thrown at someone because they have some rough times. I personally know Zach Neer, and I know that he's in wrestling because he loves it, not because he's trying to be better than his dad. Just because his dad was good doesn't mean that Zach has to live up to expectations. Zach could probably beat you anyday
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby 10thousandfists2 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:29 pm

theman wrote:
10thousandfists2 wrote:Alan Neer-84 Bismarck his son Zach Neer is try to be better than his father but not happening so far
Zach's credentials-05 doubled out 06 1-2 (the win was against his cousin Seth Neer) 07 5th place 08 2nd place

But no one in ND can beat Scott Schiller in recent years

10thousand fists should not be thrown at someone because they have some rough times. I personally know Zach Neer, and I know that he's in wrestling because he loves it, not because he's trying to be better than his dad. Just because his dad was good doesn't mean that Zach has to live up to expectations. Zach could probably beat you anyday


I know Zach Neer better then you and I never said he was wrestling just to be better then his dad. Also I have wrestled him to screw around, and not sweet he'd beat me I'm not a wrestler but doesn't mean I don't know my sweet
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Re: Best all around wrestler from any generation

Postby theman » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:22 pm

10thousandfists2 wrote:
theman wrote:
10thousandfists2 wrote:Alan Neer-84 Bismarck his son Zach Neer is try to be better than his father but not happening so far
Zach's credentials-05 doubled out 06 1-2 (the win was against his cousin Seth Neer) 07 5th place 08 2nd place

But no one in ND can beat Scott Schiller in recent years

10thousand fists should not be thrown at someone because they have some rough times. I personally know Zach Neer, and I know that he's in wrestling because he loves it, not because he's trying to be better than his dad. Just because his dad was good doesn't mean that Zach has to live up to expectations. Zach could probably beat you anyday


I know Zach Neer better then you and I never said he was wrestling just to be better then his dad. Also I have wrestled him to screw around, and not sweet he'd beat me I'm not a wrestler but doesn't mean I don't know my sweet

Read your own comment. You specifically said that he is trying to better than his dad.
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