livinXtheXdream wrote:both of you sound like you listen to peterson way too much...about the juniors complaining i really disagree with that because the talks of the split started last year before any of those juniors were even in post 2's organization...also what would ernst and his parents have to complain about? he played as much if not more than anybody else on the team last year...
greatbambino wrote:livinXtheXdream wrote:both of you sound like you listen to peterson way too much...about the juniors complaining i really disagree with that because the talks of the split started last year before any of those juniors were even in post 2's organization...also what would ernst and his parents have to complain about? he played as much if not more than anybody else on the team last year...
it was the parents of that group that were involved in the talks of spliting along with the south coach. they can go ahead and start their own program. it has all the potential to be an huge failure. zero options for a good field to play at, the only money will be mommy and daddys check books, their schedule will consist of the 20 in state games and some random tournaments to round out a 30-35 game schedule, and they probably will be very weak and not competitive. whatever floats their boats though. theyre burning bridges, making the kids look bad and the parents stupid.
livinXtheXdream wrote:There's more than enough kids who want to play baseball in order to have two legion teams. I can name a half dozen kids off the top of my head that didn't try out for post 2 who are more than capable of making the team or the bombers and playing on the team. They simply didn't want to play for Fargo North's coach and i can understand how that could make them uncomfortable if they don't go to North. I guarantee that if this second team is formed, there will be kids, good enough to play for post 2, trying out from the south side that didn't try out last year when there was one team.
greatbambino wrote:livinXtheXdream wrote:There's more than enough kids who want to play baseball in order to have two legion teams. I can name a half dozen kids off the top of my head that didn't try out for post 2 who are more than capable of making the team or the bombers and playing on the team. They simply didn't want to play for Fargo North's coach and i can understand how that could make them uncomfortable if they don't go to North. I guarantee that if this second team is formed, there will be kids, good enough to play for post 2, trying out from the south side that didn't try out last year when there was one team.
i count 5 kids from souths varsity last year that did not play for the fargo legion. more than likely none of them would have played for the legion varsity. so no, your logic that there would not be new kids going out for the new legion that would have played for post 2 doesnt work. keep trying. the only reason this team is being created is so mommy and daddy's little snowflake can play higher skilled baseball (when they shouldnt be) and so they (mommy and daddy) have their say in how the program is run (aka how much their snowflake gets to play).
livinXtheXdream wrote:greatbambino wrote:livinXtheXdream wrote:There's more than enough kids who want to play baseball in order to have two legion teams. I can name a half dozen kids off the top of my head that didn't try out for post 2 who are more than capable of making the team or the bombers and playing on the team. They simply didn't want to play for Fargo North's coach and i can understand how that could make them uncomfortable if they don't go to North. I guarantee that if this second team is formed, there will be kids, good enough to play for post 2, trying out from the south side that didn't try out last year when there was one team.
i count 5 kids from souths varsity last year that did not play for the fargo legion. more than likely none of them would have played for the legion varsity. so no, your logic that there would not be new kids going out for the new legion that would have played for post 2 doesnt work. keep trying. the only reason this team is being created is so mommy and daddy's little snowflake can play higher skilled baseball (when they shouldnt be) and so they (mommy and daddy) have their say in how the program is run (aka how much their snowflake gets to play).
well, you must not have paid too much attention to south's varsity then. Because they are out there and they wanna play and this is not just south.
Hinsa wrote:I suppose you folks that only want one legion team also want to bring back old Fargo Central high and put all the kids together for all the other sports too!???! So you can win the national high school football championship, and the national high school basketball championship, and whatever other national or world titles you want?
You win titles by getting kids out to play and improving skills. Fargo was 60,000 people when Harter and his boys were competing on a national level. Now it's pushing 100,000 and they can't even win state titles. I think your feeder system in Fargo is broken. Too many kids are getting weeded out too early before they mature and reach their true athletic potential. The more kids you keep active through their developing years the more and better athletes you will have. Developing an in-town rivalry would HELP the competitive level of baseball in Fargo, not hurt it.
greatbambino wrote:Hinsa wrote:I suppose you folks that only want one legion team also want to bring back old Fargo Central high and put all the kids together for all the other sports too!???! So you can win the national high school football championship, and the national high school basketball championship, and whatever other national or world titles you want?
You win titles by getting kids out to play and improving skills. Fargo was 60,000 people when Harter and his boys were competing on a national level. Now it's pushing 100,000 and they can't even win state titles. I think your feeder system in Fargo is broken. Too many kids are getting weeded out too early before they mature and reach their true athletic potential. The more kids you keep active through their developing years the more and better athletes you will have. Developing an in-town rivalry would HELP the competitive level of baseball in Fargo, not hurt it.
too bad that is not why this second legion team is being created. its being done because some people (south coach, south parents) didnt like the fact that the best youth baseball coach in the area was hired to coach the legion team and they were scared for their kids future in baseball. they thought he would be biased towards the north players because he is the north coach, which was not the case this last season.
this whole thing backs the the view of people on the south side as narcissistic, entitlement crybabies. these parents really should be encouraging their kids to work harder to get better instead of taking the easy way out by making them their own team.
livinXtheXdream wrote:greatbambino wrote:Hinsa wrote:I suppose you folks that only want one legion team also want to bring back old Fargo Central high and put all the kids together for all the other sports too!???! So you can win the national high school football championship, and the national high school basketball championship, and whatever other national or world titles you want?
You win titles by getting kids out to play and improving skills. Fargo was 60,000 people when Harter and his boys were competing on a national level. Now it's pushing 100,000 and they can't even win state titles. I think your feeder system in Fargo is broken. Too many kids are getting weeded out too early before they mature and reach their true athletic potential. The more kids you keep active through their developing years the more and better athletes you will have. Developing an in-town rivalry would HELP the competitive level of baseball in Fargo, not hurt it.
too bad that is not why this second legion team is being created. its being done because some people (south coach, south parents) didnt like the fact that the best youth baseball coach in the area was hired to coach the legion team and they were scared for their kids future in baseball. they thought he would be biased towards the north players because he is the north coach, which was not the case this last season.
this whole thing backs the the view of people on the south side as narcissistic, entitlement crybabies. these parents really should be encouraging their kids to work harder to get better instead of taking the easy way out by making them their own team.
if the best baseball coach in the area was hired, then why have the numbers of baseball players for north declined so rapidly compared to the rest of Fargo? Why did North and South have equally talented teams in their babe ruth years and all of a sudden the north players aren't playing anymore? Why did Larson's and Jagim's arms fall off during the year and Kingsley throw out his back? Why would they still be out there on the mound after Post 2 is up by 8 or 9 runs? That statement of Post 2 hiring the best coach in the region really disturbs me.
greatbambino wrote:livinXtheXdream wrote:greatbambino wrote:Hinsa wrote:I suppose you folks that only want one legion team also want to bring back old Fargo Central high and put all the kids together for all the other sports too!???! So you can win the national high school football championship, and the national high school basketball championship, and whatever other national or world titles you want?
You win titles by getting kids out to play and improving skills. Fargo was 60,000 people when Harter and his boys were competing on a national level. Now it's pushing 100,000 and they can't even win state titles. I think your feeder system in Fargo is broken. Too many kids are getting weeded out too early before they mature and reach their true athletic potential. The more kids you keep active through their developing years the more and better athletes you will have. Developing an in-town rivalry would HELP the competitive level of baseball in Fargo, not hurt it.
too bad that is not why this second legion team is being created. its being done because some people (south coach, south parents) didnt like the fact that the best youth baseball coach in the area was hired to coach the legion team and they were scared for their kids future in baseball. they thought he would be biased towards the north players because he is the north coach, which was not the case this last season.
this whole thing backs the the view of people on the south side as narcissistic, entitlement crybabies. these parents really should be encouraging their kids to work harder to get better instead of taking the easy way out by making them their own team.
if the best baseball coach in the area was hired, then why have the numbers of baseball players for north declined so rapidly compared to the rest of Fargo? Why did North and South have equally talented teams in their babe ruth years and all of a sudden the north players aren't playing anymore? Why did Larson's and Jagim's arms fall off during the year and Kingsley throw out his back? Why would they still be out there on the mound after Post 2 is up by 8 or 9 runs? That statement of Post 2 hiring the best coach in the region really disturbs me.
norths numbers have declined? care to back that one up with some numbers? they put together 5 teams in their program last year, same number as south/davies. the south side of town is growing exponentially faster than the north side of town is, so what you see as a decline for the north side is actual consistency while the south side grows. so i ask you this, how come more kids arent going out on the south side?
youre trying to attribute individual injuries to coaching? if thats the case, pro players should be filing lawsuits against their trainers and coaches claiming negligence. larson got hurt at the beginning of the season after only 3 starts. that was probably an issue related to his preperation for the season. jagim threw 8 innings in the state championship game, his arm seemed fine during that one. kingsley still played even though his back was "thrown out". if anybody over used him it was donny bryant during the high school season. had him throw something like 53 innings over the course of the regular season which was about a month long. pro pitchers get maybe 40 innings in a month. yikes.
livinXtheXdream wrote:donny bryant wasn't the one who threw Kingsley on 3 days rest for almost a month straight during the season. Even the pros don't do that. The 53 innings you're talkin about is including the EDC and state tournament which makes it about a 6 to 7 week long season depending on how much the flood influenced that and with that being the case, Kinglsey made each of his 9 starts with a full 5 days rest. When Kinglsey did play, he played third base when he couldn't pitch because his back and the only reason why he played third is because he was forced to since Braaten quit and post 2 was lacking infielders. And remember that he didn't pitch an inning in the state tournament, which i bet if he could've thrown post 2 would have won state. As for jagim, he couldn't play for about 2 weeks and couldn't pitch for around 3 to 4 weeks in the middle of the season. Luckily for post 2 that he got healthy before the state tournament or else post 2 would've went home early. Now here's the problem, if you're the coach of the team that has the deepest, and probably the best pitching staff in the state, there's no way that you let your top 3 pitchers get injured. There's just no excuse for that.
greatbambino wrote:livinXtheXdream wrote:donny bryant wasn't the one who threw Kingsley on 3 days rest for almost a month straight during the season. Even the pros don't do that. The 53 innings you're talkin about is including the EDC and state tournament which makes it about a 6 to 7 week long season depending on how much the flood influenced that and with that being the case, Kinglsey made each of his 9 starts with a full 5 days rest. When Kinglsey did play, he played third base when he couldn't pitch because his back and the only reason why he played third is because he was forced to since Braaten quit and post 2 was lacking infielders. And remember that he didn't pitch an inning in the state tournament, which i bet if he could've thrown post 2 would have won state. As for jagim, he couldn't play for about 2 weeks and couldn't pitch for around 3 to 4 weeks in the middle of the season. Luckily for post 2 that he got healthy before the state tournament or else post 2 would've went home early. Now here's the problem, if you're the coach of the team that has the deepest, and probably the best pitching staff in the state, there's no way that you let your top 3 pitchers get injured. There's just no excuse for that.
again, youre trying to put injuries on the coach which makes you look foolish. youve obviously got an issue with jeff fiechtner and youre one of the south people, player or parent, who is well behind the new team being created. youre trying to justify starting a new team by putting the blame on the coach of the legion program. the only justification you should be using is your selfishness and narcissism. lose the selfish attitude and be a team player. if you want to be the star of the team, earn it, dont buy it.
livinXtheXdream wrote:so it's ok for you to blame Donn Bryant on Kinglsey's injury which occurred months after Kingsley played for him but not ok for me to blame Fiechtner. A little hypocritical but ok. Yes, i do have an issue with Fiechner and so does the rest of this state for people who actually know who he really is. You're also right about me being in full support of this new team and i do hope it is created and again you are right that i am from South Fargo. But i am willing to bet that you are a part of post 2 and you are getting scared about possibly losing over half your program to this new team or else you would have never put any post in this thread about the new team and how bad the people are that are doing it, in hopes that you will gain support from people who don't know what is going on to think that these people are "burning bridges" when i believe they are building bridges for greater things to come.
greatbambino wrote:livinXtheXdream wrote:so it's ok for you to blame Donn Bryant on Kinglsey's injury which occurred months after Kingsley played for him but not ok for me to blame Fiechtner. A little hypocritical but ok. Yes, i do have an issue with Fiechner and so does the rest of this state for people who actually know who he really is. You're also right about me being in full support of this new team and i do hope it is created and again you are right that i am from South Fargo. But i am willing to bet that you are a part of post 2 and you are getting scared about possibly losing over half your program to this new team or else you would have never put any post in this thread about the new team and how bad the people are that are doing it, in hopes that you will gain support from people who don't know what is going on to think that these people are "burning bridges" when i believe they are building bridges for greater things to come.
thanks rick for your deep insight. i never said anything about him being injured because of donny, i said "if anybody over used him". i am actually not affiliated with post 2, but i know my way around the local baseball scene. i do in fact know who jeff fiechtner is. i dont think there are as many people who do have an issue as you think, just people like you who dont get their way (not supposed to go to a tryout? whining about playing time? sound familiar?) i highly doubt that half the program is going to bolt for your team. lets see a list of names of who is going to join. i am willing to bet that the actual number is barely enough to form a team.
livinXtheXdream wrote:I knew this was going to happen sooner or later that you would guess who i am because i've noticed that you seem to take a joy in doing so. I know for a fact that you are/were not a player for Post 2 since you try to back up Fiechtner all the time, and i know what all the players were saying during the season, plus you also know what ernst's nickname is so it's quite obvious that you are indeed a part of post 2, but not on the coaching staff because they all knew what the players were saying about Fiechtner. Plus Chad and Cody are very nice people by the way. Your post about how ernst was always whining about playing time interested me a little so i did some research and here's the games played for the post 2 roster last season (excluding those who only pitched) Achter-52, Schnabel-51, Fahy-47, Barnum-47, Argall-44, Jones-42, Schweigert-41, Ernst-38, Kays-35, Jagim-35, Braaten-35, Kingsley-31, Wawers-29, so there's Ernst basically right in the middle and he clearly played the most for those who pitched and played a position. He went to one tryout, big whoop, you don't think that Kingsley, Bollinger, Achter, Frenzel, Larson, Schutz, Elgie, Weintz, Fahy, just to name a few ever went to a showcase during the legion season? well they did and Weintz Kingsley and Larson are playing for NDSU, Bollinger Frenzel and Elgie all got drafted, Fahy is playing college ball somewhere in Illinois, and Achter is still in highschool. Now im through with all this legion business and this is the last post i make on this thread and i apologize to Ernst for that guy's negativity toward you. Bambino, just a little heads up, be prepared for a long and stressful winter, but we certainly had an entertaining debate.
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