Saucesauer wrote:heres what you have to look at sure he can hit the ball far with aluminum but what about wood? how many pro teams use aluminum? because i believe in high school he didnt stick out i think he had 1 hr which i dont even led his team now sure he is good but dont forget about all the hype that lundy got and what round was he picked in? was he even picked?!? How long did it take for sherick (sp?) to just get drafted give him a year or 2 of college and we will see.
baseball_05 wrote:What high school player did well with wood bats last year? If you ask me, the wood bats are going to go soon anyway.
So you dont think he will be drafted BEFORE college? If you are going to draft a kid you are going to do it in HS in hopes of getting him signed before he goes to college.
brownbomber wrote:baseball_05 wrote:What high school player did well with wood bats last year? If you ask me, the wood bats are going to go soon anyway.
So you dont think he will be drafted BEFORE college? If you are going to draft a kid you are going to do it in HS in hopes of getting him signed before he goes to college.
wouldnt it be better if the wood bats stayed in ND, so when they get to somewhere after hs ball they dont need to be taught as much as ppl who do use wood bats, if anything using wood bats prob help kids this year in legion ball
Y-not Daily wrote:Saucesauer wrote:heres what you have to look at sure he can hit the ball far with aluminum but what about wood? how many pro teams use aluminum? because i believe in high school he didnt stick out i think he had 1 hr which i dont even led his team now sure he is good but dont forget about all the hype that lundy got and what round was he picked in? was he even picked?!? How long did it take for sherick (sp?) to just get drafted give him a year or 2 of college and we will see.
I don't really think you know what you're talking about... Lundy would have certainly been drafted if the draft and follow were still in effect... He had already committed to come back to to Iowa Western and so there was no reason for a team to draft him this year because he wouldn't have signed.
Sure, ND pitching isn't great, but funny thing, no one was bad mouthing Elgie when he had 11 RBIs in the first two games at state and all the scouts were chatting with him after the game...
BTW, Frenzel is a stud too, but I think if I had to take a short stop this year it would have been Leer, granted Leer is probably three years older than Frenzel, but Frenzel will never have the range at ss that Leer has, and Leer can hit with the best of them as well... And I agree with baseball_05, Liffrig is as classy as they come and will DEETROY DII pitching the next three years if his back is healthy.
whateverittakes wrote:Y-not Daily wrote:Saucesauer wrote:heres what you have to look at sure he can hit the ball far with aluminum but what about wood? how many pro teams use aluminum? because i believe in high school he didnt stick out i think he had 1 hr which i dont even led his team now sure he is good but dont forget about all the hype that lundy got and what round was he picked in? was he even picked?!? How long did it take for sherick (sp?) to just get drafted give him a year or 2 of college and we will see.
I don't really think you know what you're talking about... Lundy would have certainly been drafted if the draft and follow were still in effect... He had already committed to come back to to Iowa Western and so there was no reason for a team to draft him this year because he wouldn't have signed.
Sure, ND pitching isn't great, but funny thing, no one was bad mouthing Elgie when he had 11 RBIs in the first two games at state and all the scouts were chatting with him after the game...
BTW, Frenzel is a stud too, but I think if I had to take a short stop this year it would have been Leer, granted Leer is probably three years older than Frenzel, but Frenzel will never have the range at ss that Leer has, and Leer can hit with the best of them as well... And I agree with baseball_05, Liffrig is as classy as they come and will DEETROY DII pitching the next three years if his back is healthy.
Look at the first two pitchers in the tournament Elgie faced 1st game was Astran from West Fargo who was the worst pitcher that pitched in the tournament and second game vs Bismarck Hausauer who isnt good either in the championship game "I believe he went 0 for 4 against Wenzel So either than Wentz he didnt see that much good pitching
Also you cant even compare Frenzels defense to Leers defense Leer is outstanding Frenzel doesnt have that much range but has a nice swing and is most definantly on of the feared hitters in the state but Leer holds his own on the offensive side
Lundy will get drafted and be in the majors time will tell I think Elgie will have a good college career in some D-1 school but he will never get passed AAA ball
whateverittakes wrote:[quote="Y-not Daily[/user] wrote: [/b]
[user=463]Saucesauer"]heres what you have to look at sure he can hit the ball far with aluminum but what about wood? how many pro teams use aluminum? because i believe in high school he didnt stick out i think he had 1 hr which i dont even led his team now sure he is good but dont forget about all the hype that lundy got and what round was he picked in? was he even picked?!? How long did it take for sherick (sp?) to just get drafted give him a year or 2 of college and we will see.
[b]Look at the first two pitchers in the tournament Elgie faced 1st game was Astran from West Fargo who was the worst pitcher that pitched in the tournament and second game vs Bismarck Hausauer who isnt good either in the championship game "I believe he went 0 for 4 against Wenzel So either than Wentz he didnt see that much good pitching
Also you cant even compare Frenzels defense to Leers defense Leer is outstanding Frenzel doesnt have that much range but has a nice swing and is most definantly on of the feared hitters in the state but Leer holds his own on the offensive side
Lundy will get drafted and be in the majors time will tell I think Elgie will have a good college career in some D-1 school but he will never get passed AAA ball
Great point..how did elgie do againt laylock..huge struggle, make Elgie hit good pitching and he goes down the tank
whateverittakes wrote:[quote="Y-not Daily[/user] wrote: [/b][user=463]Saucesauer"]heres what you have to look at sure he can hit the ball far with aluminum but what about wood? how many pro teams use aluminum? because i believe in high school he didnt stick out i think he had 1 hr which i dont even led his team now sure he is good but dont forget about all the hype that lundy got and what round was he picked in? was he even picked?!? How long did it take for sherick (sp?) to just get drafted give him a year or 2 of college and we will see.
I don't really think you know what you're talking about... Lundy would have certainly been drafted if the draft and follow were still in effect... He had already committed to come back to to Iowa Western and so there was no reason for a team to draft him this year because he wouldn't have signed.
Sure, ND pitching isn't great, but funny thing, no one was bad mouthing Elgie when he had 11 RBIs in the first two games at state and all the scouts were chatting with him after the game...
 BTW, Frenzel is a stud too, but I think if I had to take a short stop this year it would have been Leer, granted Leer is probably three years older than Frenzel, but Frenzel will never have the range at ss that Leer has, and Leer can hit with the best of them as well... And I agree with baseball_05, Liffrig is as classy as they come and will DEETROY DII pitching the next three years if his back is healthy.
[b]Look at the first two pitchers in the tournament Elgie faced 1st game was Astran from West Fargo who was the worst pitcher that pitched in the tournament and second game vs Bismarck Hausauer who isnt good either in the championship game "I believe he went 0 for 4 against Wenzel So either than Wentz he didnt see that much good pitching
Also you cant even compare Frenzels defense to Leers defense Leer is outstanding Frenzel doesnt have that much range but has a nice swing and is most definantly on of the feared hitters in the state but Leer holds his own on the offensive side
Lundy will get drafted and be in the majors time will tell I think Elgie will have a good college career in some D-1 school but he will never get passed AAA ball
Great point..how did elgie do againt laylock..huge struggle, make Elgie hit good pitching and he goes down the tank
whateverittakes wrote:[quote="Y-not Daily[/user] wrote: [/b][user=463]Saucesauer"]heres what you have to look at sure he can hit the ball far with aluminum but what about wood? how many pro teams use aluminum? because i believe in high school he didnt stick out i think he had 1 hr which i dont even led his team now sure he is good but dont forget about all the hype that lundy got and what round was he picked in? was he even picked?!? How long did it take for sherick (sp?) to just get drafted give him a year or 2 of college and we will see.
I don't really think you know what you're talking about... Lundy would have certainly been drafted if the draft and follow were still in effect... He had already committed to come back to to Iowa Western and so there was no reason for a team to draft him this year because he wouldn't have signed.
Sure, ND pitching isn't great, but funny thing, no one was bad mouthing Elgie when he had 11 RBIs in the first two games at state and all the scouts were chatting with him after the game...
 BTW, Frenzel is a stud too, but I think if I had to take a short stop this year it would have been Leer, granted Leer is probably three years older than Frenzel, but Frenzel will never have the range at ss that Leer has, and Leer can hit with the best of them as well... And I agree with baseball_05, Liffrig is as classy as they come and will DEETROY DII pitching the next three years if his back is healthy.
[b]Look at the first two pitchers in the tournament Elgie faced 1st game was Astran from West Fargo who was the worst pitcher that pitched in the tournament and second game vs Bismarck Hausauer who isnt good either in the championship game "I believe he went 0 for 4 against Wenzel So either than Wentz he didnt see that much good pitching
Also you cant even compare Frenzels defense to Leers defense Leer is outstanding Frenzel doesnt have that much range but has a nice swing and is most definantly on of the feared hitters in the state but Leer holds his own on the offensive side
Lundy will get drafted and be in the majors time will tell I think Elgie will have a good college career in some D-1 school but he will never get passed AAA ball
Great point..how did elgie do againt laylock..huge struggle, make Elgie hit good pitching and he goes down the tank
baseball30 wrote:whateverittakes wrote:[quote="Y-not Daily[/user] wrote: [/b][user=463]Saucesauer"]heres what you have to look at sure he can hit the ball far with aluminum but what about wood? how many pro teams use aluminum? because i believe in high school he didnt stick out i think he had 1 hr which i dont even led his team now sure he is good but dont forget about all the hype that lundy got and what round was he picked in? was he even picked?!? How long did it take for sherick (sp?) to just get drafted give him a year or 2 of college and we will see.
I don't really think you know what you're talking about... Lundy would have certainly been drafted if the draft and follow were still in effect... He had already committed to come back to to Iowa Western and so there was no reason for a team to draft him this year because he wouldn't have signed.
Sure, ND pitching isn't great, but funny thing, no one was bad mouthing Elgie when he had 11 RBIs in the first two games at state and all the scouts were chatting with him after the game...
BTW, Frenzel is a stud too, but I think if I had to take a short stop this year it would have been Leer, granted Leer is probably three years older than Frenzel, but Frenzel will never have the range at ss that Leer has, and Leer can hit with the best of them as well... And I agree with baseball_05, Liffrig is as classy as they come and will DEETROY DII pitching the next three years if his back is healthy.
[b]Look at the first two pitchers in the tournament Elgie faced 1st game was Astran from West Fargo who was the worst pitcher that pitched in the tournament and second game vs Bismarck Hausauer who isnt good either in the championship game "I believe he went 0 for 4 against Wenzel So either than Wentz he didnt see that much good pitching
Also you cant even compare Frenzels defense to Leers defense Leer is outstanding Frenzel doesnt have that much range but has a nice swing and is most definantly on of the feared hitters in the state but Leer holds his own on the offensive side
Lundy will get drafted and be in the majors time will tell I think Elgie will have a good college career in some D-1 school but he will never get passed AAA ball
Great point..how did elgie do againt laylock..huge struggle, make Elgie hit good pitching and he goes down the tank
i_see_it_all wrote:north dakota has terrible pitching. maybe 3-4 guys in the state that are worth mentioning.
you put a zach elgie in a summer league down south with all the dominicans and the real baseball players, and he's just another slow 1b that cant hit a curveball. id love to see his swing the first time he sees a split finger fastball. if elgie plays division I baseball at a big school straight out of high school, he is in for a wake up call. look at andrew gudmunson, went to nebraska, didnt have a sniff down there and was back up north after 1 season. elgie is a guy who will crush the 78 mph fastball over the fence because he's that strong. you get a guy throwin high 80's with a tight breaking pitch and a changeup (like nearly all D1 pitchers have) elgie's hacks will look uglier than they did against freshman stephen laylock.
bottom line is athletic, versatile players have a much better shot because they can play more than 1 position and have multiple tools. elgie is not very fast and cant play anything but first and maybe catch.
id take frenzel anyday of the week. lefty, better swing, more athletic, and a better arm.... he will go farther than elgie my friends. but if were talking 77 mph fastball, ill take elgie:P
i_see_it_all wrote:north dakota has terrible pitching. maybe 3-4 guys in the state that are worth mentioning.
you put a zach elgie in a summer league down south with all the dominicans and the real baseball players, and he's just another slow 1b that cant hit a curveball. id love to see his swing the first time he sees a split finger fastball. if elgie plays division I baseball at a big school straight out of high school, he is in for a wake up call. look at andrew gudmunson, went to nebraska, didnt have a sniff down there and was back up north after 1 season. elgie is a guy who will crush the 78 mph fastball over the fence because he's that strong. you get a guy throwin high 80's with a tight breaking pitch and a changeup (like nearly all D1 pitchers have) elgie's hacks will look uglier than they did against freshman stephen laylock.
bottom line is athletic, versatile players have a much better shot because they can play more than 1 position and have multiple tools. elgie is not very fast and cant play anything but first and maybe catch.
id take frenzel anyday of the week. lefty, better swing, more athletic, and a better arm.... he will go farther than elgie my friends. but if were talking 77 mph fastball, ill take elgie:P
i_see_it_all wrote:Daily you might be the next smartest guy on this board besides me! jk
but no i agree with a lot of the things you said. frenzel's range isnt there, but he is also only going to be a junior....but your probably right, 3b is more for him.
laylock is also a good pitcher, especiall for how young he is, but hes not that good. and when your getting embarassed by a freshman in high school....you know your not ready.
nodaksportsfan, lets take a look at elgie's positions...he is a throwing QB, not a scrambler...he sits in the pocket and slings the ball around like broadway joe used to do, just not nearly as good. therefore, he lets the athletic kids run the ball.
in basketball, he is a tall post player who works the paint inside. tall isnt athletic in baseball, and throwing your weight around doesnt help much in baseball either. again, all the athletic kids are playing the perimiter and running the floor.
frenzel is a linebacker/running back who moves laterally and has to be quick to play his position. in hockey he is a goal scorer, a position athletic kids play who can move and handle and score. elgie would be a slow, not quick defenseman who checks people. which is fine, just not athletic.
bottom line, i think tyler lundy is the best ballplayer to come out of ND the past few years and will have the best chance to actually go somewhere. he is a 4, maybe 5 tool player if he was a little faster. i could talk about him all day.
just not a big elgie fan, seen to many kids like him come through and get all hyped. up about ND baseball, but then realize that real baseball players can run, throw, field and hit...not just hit slow pitching.
and to answer your question, i know frenzel hit like .440 in high school with 4-5 HRs, i was told he led the state. elgie was hitting around there also and had about 3 HR's. i was also told that minot padded the stats hard against belcourt, wheras dickinson didnt get a chance to play belcourt this season....lol poor belcourt.
not sure about the summer. elgie had 26 HR's or something. my guess is frenzel was nothing near that. not sure about avg's?
i_see_it_all wrote:in basketball, he is a tall post player who works the paint inside. tall isnt athletic in baseball, and throwing your weight around doesnt help much in baseball either. again, all the athletic kids are playing the perimiter and running the floor.
i_see_it_all wrote:north dakota has terrible pitching. maybe 3-4 guys in the state that are worth mentioning.
you put a zach elgie in a summer league down south with all the dominicans and the real baseball players, and he's just another slow 1b that cant hit a curveball. id love to see his swing the first time he sees a split finger fastball. if elgie plays division I baseball at a big school straight out of high school, he is in for a wake up call. look at andrew gudmunson, went to nebraska, didnt have a sniff down there and was back up north after 1 season. elgie is a guy who will crush the 78 mph fastball over the fence because he's that strong. you get a guy throwin high 80's with a tight breaking pitch and a changeup (like nearly all D1 pitchers have) elgie's hacks will look uglier than they did against freshman stephen laylock.
bottom line is athletic, versatile players have a much better shot because they can play more than 1 position and have multiple tools. elgie is not very fast and cant play anything but first and maybe catch.
id take frenzel anyday of the week. lefty, better swing, more athletic, and a better arm.... he will go farther than elgie my friends. but if were talking 77 mph fastball, ill take elgie:P
i_see_it_all wrote:Daily you might be the next smartest guy on this board besides me! jk
but no i agree with a lot of the things you said. frenzel's range isnt there, but he is also only going to be a junior....but your probably right, 3b is more for him.
laylock is also a good pitcher, especiall for how young he is, but hes not that good. and when your getting embarassed by a freshman in high school....you know your not ready.
nodaksportsfan, lets take a look at elgie's positions...he is a throwing QB, not a scrambler...he sits in the pocket and slings the ball around like broadway joe used to do, just not nearly as good. therefore, he lets the athletic kids run the ball.
in basketball, he is a tall post player who works the paint inside. tall isnt athletic in baseball, and throwing your weight around doesnt help much in baseball either. again, all the athletic kids are playing the perimiter and running the floor.
frenzel is a linebacker/running back who moves laterally and has to be quick to play his position. in hockey he is a goal scorer, a position athletic kids play who can move and handle and score. elgie would be a slow, not quick defenseman who checks people. which is fine, just not athletic.
bottom line, i think tyler lundy is the best ballplayer to come out of ND the past few years and will have the best chance to actually go somewhere. he is a 4, maybe 5 tool player if he was a little faster. i could talk about him all day.
just not a big elgie fan, seen to many kids like him come through and get all hyped. up about ND baseball, but then realize that real baseball players can run, throw, field and hit...not just hit slow pitching.
and to answer your question, i know frenzel hit like .440 in high school with 4-5 HRs, i was told he led the state. elgie was hitting around there also and had about 3 HR's. i was also told that minot padded the stats hard against belcourt, wheras dickinson didnt get a chance to play belcourt this season....lol poor belcourt.
not sure about the summer. elgie had 26 HR's or something. my guess is frenzel was nothing near that. not sure about avg's?
And padding stats wow, thats ridiculous..this is baseball!!! They pitch you hit!!
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