heimer wrote:The system was invented specifically for Native American schools. They found a loophole that allows them to sell it as a standard that applies to all schools, but in reality, they (NDHSAA) knew all along that only native schools would apply. The facts are that this practice is reverse racism. .
heimer wrote:I'm not promoting that anyone play anywhere but in the class that they belong in. You, however, talk out of both sides of your mouth, rallying to keep "B" free of any infestation, while allowing Devils Lake to get screwed by reverse racism. I don't want Belcourt to get smashed, but I'd rather a school with a legitimate enrollment get smashed than one that is forced because of reverse racism. Its more fair to let Belcourt get beat than Devils Lake, because Belcourt has a true AAA enrollment..
heimer wrote:And this crying poor crap won't fly. Native schools do just fine with facilities and programs for kids, and way more of it is free to them than it is to other schools. Further, there are hardship grants for kids to go to camps. Poverty doesn't keep kids from participating. I seem to remember a bunch of Valley City bashers saying the school and the coaches had to change the way they do things to compete, get more kids out, get them in the weight room, hire better coaches. Ring a bell? It should, because you said it. And if you're right, then you're right, even when it comes to free-and-reduced meals...
heimer wrote:Face it, you want a double standard for football. It's that simple. It doesn't matter how long it's been since someone was competitive. The state has established that that argument won't fly (enrollment to 400 and back again). It was rejected by the membership. If that argument was rejected, it should be rejected here as well. Again, it's football being regulated outside of the light of day..
heimer wrote:Fargo already saw fit to push the first round EDC basketball games to home sites in the name of revenue. Whatever happened to the post-season being a fresh start at a neutral site, where seeds are the only advantage? The regular seasons are supposed to be thrown out. If were going to do it for the first round, then lets do it for the entire tournament, and at both levels, A and B.
heimer wrote:Bisonguy, you know as well as I do it will not be a one-year fix. All sports activities in Fargo are changing for Fargo's benefit not the teams or the states. If it were a one-year fix, I'd be okay with that. But I've had two candid conversations with members of the tournament committee that claim this is the way its going to be for the future.
The event deserves two days, and if TV can't make it work, screw them. Make it work for the kids playing. No one should have to play a state title game at 9 a.m. If they did that to the state B basketball tournament, people would be up in arms, and that would be just the first game of the day. This is a state title game were talking about.
Fargo already saw fit to push the first round EDC basketball games to home sites in the name of revenue. Whatever happened to the post-season being a fresh start at a neutral site, where seeds are the only advantage? The regular seasons are supposed to be thrown out. If were going to do it for the first round, then lets do it for the entire tournament, and at both levels, A and B.
You can say it's 20 years of issues. It is, but it isnt. It's one, that being double-standards, carried out over 20 years away from the light of day. All of you screamed about this when the NDHSAA moved the enrollment cutoff to 400. You claimed it was behind closed doors, and it stunk. If that is the case, all of these, free-and-reduced meals, state title day, class expansion, all of it fits directly into the same pattern, but you don't care. Why? Because it's not Class "B" basketball.
heimer wrote:Don't blame the big schools. Blame the big-small schools. They are the ones that take the easy way out in the name of wins and losses.
heimer wrote:Ah, 225. Good choice, just low enough to keep the same 19 teams up there, and maybe add one or two, so your precious Class B can be preserved.
You make plenty of sense, and your mixed motives show through.
heimer wrote:I'll try to nutshell this, since we've been through all of this before.
Football
AAA (12, I've advocated 10, but with West Fargo 2 coming online, 10 likely unworkable)
Minot, Bismarck High, Bismarck Century, Mandan, Williston, Grand Forks Red River, West Fargo 1, West Fargo 2, Fargo North, Fargo South, Grand Forks Central, Fargo Davies. Play all but two every year, based on rotation.
Eight team playoff, top eight qualify, 1-8 seeds as in basketball.
AA (12)
Jamestown, Dickinson, Devils Lake, Wahpeton, Belcourt, Valley City, Fargo Shanley, Bismarck St. Marys, Grafton-St. Thomas, Central Cass, Kindred, Beulah. Same format as above.
A (24)
Griggs Barnes, Lisbon, Enderlin-Maple Valley, Northern Cass, May-Port-C-G, Hatton-Northwood,
Carrington, Larimore, Langdon, Bottineau, Rugby, Westhope,
Minot Ryan, Stanley-Powers Lake, Tioga-Ray, Des Lacs, Garrison, Berthold,
Watford City, Hazen, Washburn, New Salem, Killdeer, New Town,
Five games in region, scheduling alliances for non-league. Eight-team playoff format, two from each region.
9-man is the rest. 54 total teams.
Opt-ups allowed, no opt-downs in response, declare opt-ups prior to first game of regular season of season before opt. (Example, if team wishes to opt up in 2013, they must inform HSAA of opt up by first game of August, 2012, for scheduling purposes.
Basketball, volleyball--
Throw out enrollment cutoff. Top 32 teams are Class A, split into two divisions, with top 16 enrollments in top division, and the next 16 in bottom division. Each division sends four teams to state tournament.
heimer wrote:Basketball, volleyball--
Throw out enrollment cutoff. Top 32 teams are Class A, split into two divisions, with top 16 enrollments in top division, and the next 16 in bottom division. Each division sends four teams to state tournament.
heimer wrote:Ah, 225. Good choice, just low enough to keep the same 19 teams up there, and maybe add one or two, so your precious Class B can be preserved.
You make plenty of sense, and your mixed motives show through.
Indy5 wrote: I really wouldn't mind this at all. The bottom 16 teams would rarely pick up wins at state, but that's ok. Not everyone has to win state. They just need to be able to compete, which they would within their division. Going to state would still be special to them and could be viewed as a successful season. Maybe they pick up an upset at state. Maybe they don't and they're playing for the consolation championship.
Bisonguy06 wrote: This could work, but there is a fairness issue here with unbalanced schedules affecting teams and their chances of making the playoffs.
Team 'A' might make the playoffs in a year when they don't have to play two powerhouse teams (Bismarck High and Fargo South, for argument's sake), while Team B might miss the playoffs because they have to play both BHS and Fargo South but they don't get to play two cellar-dwellers (Grand Forks Central and West Fargo 2, for example). When the season ends and we sort out records and playoff teams, we're not comparing apples to apples.
I see why you've done this, because there is no way to split these 12 teams into an east/west or north/south that makes sense. But this is a problem nonetheless.
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