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Re: Championship post game thread
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Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:39 pmby Indy5
ILoveBaseball21 wrote:Indy5 wrote:AF PN wrote:It's too bad Jonah is only 5'8". He could play somewhere if it wasn't for his height.
No he couldn't. Don't get too caught up in the 9-man world. He has no pocket presence, not a very strong arm, and a slow looping throwing motion that looks bad.
Hagler on the other hand, had a nice whip on his throwing motion. He thows on the run remarkably well. Only knock I have on him (but a big one if evaluating for college) is that he can't stand in the pocket and throw. He is totally uncomfortable doing it. I saw him do it maybe 5 times all game. He started to towards the end only because he was cramping and couldn't run. All his running around won't work in college. It wouldn't even work if he played AA. The extra people on the field would hurt him, plus in higher levels there are long, rangy d-ends that would chase him down.
So you are saying no quarterback is perfect and 9-man football quarterbacks are a joke.
You're right no quarterback is perfect. I said he was good, but added the only knock I had on him. Just because someone is good doesn't mean they can't ever have a weakness pointed out.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:21 pmby defensewinsgames
Indy I understand what your getting at and I don't disagree but that doesn't make them any worse of a QB. Just because they were put in a 9 man league doesn't mean they can't go on to be just as good if not better than 11 man athletes. I would challenge anyone to find someone at the QB position in North Dakota that is a purer athlete than Hagler.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:55 pmby d_fense
defensewinsgames wrote:Indy I understand what your getting at and I don't disagree but that doesn't make them any worse of a QB. Just because they were put in a 9 man league doesn't mean they can't go on to be just as good if not better than 11 man athletes. I would challenge anyone to find someone at the QB position in North Dakota that is a purer athlete than Hagler.
Josh Hansana
Re: Championship post game thread
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:16 amby defensewinsgames
d_fense wrote:defensewinsgames wrote:Indy I understand what your getting at and I don't disagree but that doesn't make them any worse of a QB. Just because they were put in a 9 man league doesn't mean they can't go on to be just as good if not better than 11 man athletes. I would challenge anyone to find someone at the QB position in North Dakota that is a purer athlete than Hagler.
Josh Hansana
I completly agree with that! But I don't think he is any better of a QB just because he plays 11 man. They are both 2 great QBs with excellent futures. Both true athletes.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:19 pmby Indy5
defensewinsgames wrote:Indy I understand what your getting at and I don't disagree but that doesn't make them any worse of a QB. Just because they were put in a 9 man league doesn't mean they can't go on to be just as good if not better than 11 man athletes. I would challenge anyone to find someone at the QB position in North Dakota that is a purer athlete than Hagler.
Hagler is good. I never said he couldn't be good at higher levels. I said his scrambling wouldn't work as well and he'd need to be more of a pocket passer.
Schwartzenberger I'm not sold on, especially if we're talking about college. I already said all the things that he doesn't do well and they add up. Another thing I noticed was he'd take the snap and look right at the rush, rather than looking downfield.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:04 pmby The Schwab
Jacob Hagler is the purest athlete in Class B north dakota (might be in all of ND but I don't know much on the class A kids) period. The reason he was scrambling in the title game is his line was blown off the ball on almost every play.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:49 pmby Indy5
The Schwab wrote:Jacob Hagler is the purest athlete in Class B north dakota (might be in all of ND but I don't know much on the class A kids) period. The reason he was scrambling in the title game is his line was blown off the ball on almost every play.
I agree that his line did a terrible job of blocking, but i just felt there were a few times where he got scramble happy and took off when there was no need. But yes, he is a great athlete and throws on the run better than any other high school kid I've seen.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:56 pmby defensewinsgames
If your constantly getting hit by 2 huge kids for most of the game, you would start thinking people were coming even if they weren't to. After a while you start losing confidence in your line, it happens to every high school QB. Of course he made mistakes but every one does, with the right coaching that will be taken care of. My guess would be that come next season his coach will be working on it.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:00 pmby cuzimawesome
The Schwab wrote:Jacob Hagler is the purest athlete in Class B north dakota (might be in all of ND but I don't know much on the class A kids) period. The reason he was scrambling in the title game is his line was blown off the ball on almost every play.
I disagree with the statement that he is the purest athlete in class B North Dakota. Josh Honsana is on the same level as Hagler.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:47 pmby d_fense
defensewinsgames wrote:d_fense wrote:defensewinsgames wrote:Indy I understand what your getting at and I don't disagree but that doesn't make them any worse of a QB. Just because they were put in a 9 man league doesn't mean they can't go on to be just as good if not better than 11 man athletes. I would challenge anyone to find someone at the QB position in North Dakota that is a purer athlete than Hagler.
Josh Hansana
I completly agree with that! But I don't think he is any better of a QB just because he plays 11 man. They are both 2 great QBs with excellent futures. Both true athletes.
Josh isn't a better QB because he plays 11 man. Josh is just a better QB. IMO he would have been not only the best throwing QB in nine man, but the best runner as well. This in no way implies that Hagler isn't a very good QB. As they say in "Highlander", "There can only be one."
Re: Championship post game thread
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:42 pmby defensewinsgames
haha great reference. I'm gonna agree with you on this one and quit arguing just based on the excellent use of a classic movie reference. Very nice, that is probably my favorite post ever.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:28 pmby panthercub
Jake has been to the State Class B Basketball Tourney twice, as an eigth grader they took 7th, and we all know what happened last year. He led his football team in the best 9-Man ND State Championship game ever, falling a little short to a better team. What has Hansana acheieved? (just curious)
Re: Championship post game thread
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:33 pmby Run4Fun2009
panthercub wrote:Jake has been to the State Class B Basketball Tourney twice, as an eigth grader they took 7th, and we all know what happened last year. He led his football team in the best 9-Man ND State Championship game ever, falling a little short to a better team. What has Hansana acheieved? (just curious)
He was the state runner-up at Class A state football last year (lost to Velva) and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but was he on their basketball team as a freshman when North Sargent got 4th and defeated North Star in the first round?
Re: Championship post game thread
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:43 pmby defensewinsgames
I don't think you can base it on that. That's more a result of circumstances, Josh doesn't have another all state player on his basketball team, he also doesn't have one of the best players in the state on his football team like Hagler does. They are both amazing athletes and trying to decide which one is better based on team acheivements isn't fair to either of them.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:49 pmby panthercub
I remember listening to that game and it sounded like he was everything on that football team. Yes, they did lose to North Sarg.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:51 pmby panthercub
Jake Hagler is better!
Re: Championship post game thread
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:39 pmby ILoveBaseball21
Indy5 wrote:defensewinsgames wrote:Indy I understand what your getting at and I don't disagree but that doesn't make them any worse of a QB. Just because they were put in a 9 man league doesn't mean they can't go on to be just as good if not better than 11 man athletes. I would challenge anyone to find someone at the QB position in North Dakota that is a purer athlete than Hagler.
Hagler is good. I never said he couldn't be good at higher levels. I said his scrambling wouldn't work as well and he'd need to be more of a pocket passer.
Schwartzenberger I'm not sold on, especially if we're talking about college. I already said all the things that he doesn't do well and they add up. Another thing I noticed was he'd take the snap and look right at the rush, rather than looking downfield.
He would look at the rush right away because he was able to run the ball very effectively on pass plays. Why look downfield when you can run 20 yards every play? It makes sense.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:37 amby defensewinsgames
panthercub wrote:Jake Hagler is better!
Based on? And I agree there isn't much point in risking throwing picks when you can have a guarenteed 20+ yard run
Re: Championship post game thread
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:18 pmby panthercub
defensewinsgames wrote:panthercub wrote:Jake Hagler is better!
Based on? And I agree there isn't much point in risking throwing picks when you can have a guarenteed 20+ yard run
Everything!
Re: Championship post game thread
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:56 pmby defensewinsgames
Ok. That isn't really an argument, I'm not saying I disagree or agree. I just think if your gonna make a statement like that you should make an argument to back it up.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:58 pmby Flip
It's the winner-within argument. You don't need facts. Everyone should believe you based on your posting history.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:10 amby defensewinsgames
Haha ya I love that logic. Who needs facts or anything to back up your arguments! Just make broad generalizations, assumptions, and throw out your opinions and it is as good as fact just cause it comes from certain people. Thanks Flip at least I'm not the only one who thinks that isn't how things should work.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:19 amby winner-within
Flip wrote:It's the winner-within argument. You don't need facts. Everyone should believe you based on your posting history.
Where are the facts when someone claims "Who Better???".....when I said Brady was better than P. Manning....you threw out so called "Flip facts" ....and Brady still is Better!!!
I'd rather get em in the same Gym or field and let them go at it ....against each other.....then the
truthcanbetolled 
Re: Championship post game thread
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:19 amby Flip
winner-within wrote:Where are the facts when someone claims "Who Better???"
You could make a case that this QB does this or that better. Instead he chose just to say he is better. Makes a better argument when you try to back it up with something.
Re: Championship post game thread
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:39 amby winner-within
Flip wrote:winner-within wrote:Where are the facts when someone claims "Who Better???"
You could make a case that this QB does this or that better. Instead he chose just to say he is better. Makes a better argument when you try to back it up with something.
Yea you've never said someone was Better and lefty it as that!...
Considering Hag has another year left in High School at that position (cold hard fact)
I'd say hes right!