The Schwab wrote:In my opinion, the new football alignment is catering to the small triple A schools and smaller double A schools from the last alignment. The fact that public high schools in Fargo and Grand Forks are not in the largest classification is ridiculous.
maddog1971 wrote:It is just crazy that Fargo and GF schools are not playing at the top level any more. South was always playing for the State Champs but now they are not and everything has to change. Just crazy. The size of the programs are two different with Class 11B. Football is a game of numbers.... 30 kids against 50 kids is to great a difference IMO. I do think it is the most competitive class in North Dakota because of the tradition of the smaller schools. We will have to wait for a few more games to make the final call on if it will be competitive.
defensewinsgames wrote:maddog1971 wrote:It is just crazy that Fargo and GF schools are not playing at the top level any more. South was always playing for the State Champs but now they are not and everything has to change. Just crazy. The size of the programs are two different with Class 11B. Football is a game of numbers.... 30 kids against 50 kids is to great a difference IMO. I do think it is the most competitive class in North Dakota because of the tradition of the smaller schools. We will have to wait for a few more games to make the final call on if it will be competitive.
Great example of the squeaky wheel gets the grease unless one wheel is from Fargo. Small schools are mad...who cares! Fargo complains...and the whole system changes! Bottom end of AA and single A get screwed and won't be competitive and that is ok with the state association as long as Fargo, Grand Forks, HCV, Central Cass, Kindred, and Beulah are happy. You will never convince me it makes sense to have Southern McClean (41 boys), Linton (40 boys), and Sargent County (32 boys) in the same division as Central Cass (152 boys), HCV, and Kindred (123 boys). Or Wahpeton (235), Turtle Mountain (284), and Valley City (194) in the same division as Central (637), North (612), and South (502).
Side note: Why don't we seriously consider the 3 class system in basketball? Because large class b schools (HCV, Grafton, Central Cass, Kindred, Beulah, and the privates) dominating is ok regardless of what it does to small schools.
WalkingStick wrote:Fargo complained? We just love to spew 'unwarranted facts' nowadays don't we...it happens every day (not necessarily saying here...but everywhere).
I think we seriously consider the 3-class system every year with many quality thoughts but we can't seem to get over the media issue or NDHSAA's thoughts on $$$
defensewinsgames wrote:WalkingStick wrote:Fargo complained? We just love to spew 'unwarranted facts' nowadays don't we...it happens every day (not necessarily saying here...but everywhere).
I think we seriously consider the 3-class system every year with many quality thoughts but we can't seem to get over the media issue or NDHSAA's thoughts on $$$
Fargo and GF didn't complain??? The NDHSAA just decided they should move the schools from 2 of the 3 largest cities in ND down??? Then when given the option they all opted down but secretly really wanted to stay in AAA??? Come on give me a break. But if it makes you feel better to say it was forced on you and Fargo is a victim of reclassification so be it. I'm sure everyone else will play sad songs on their violins for poor Fargo....
defensewinsgames wrote:maddog1971 wrote:It is just crazy that Fargo and GF schools are not playing at the top level any more. South was always playing for the State Champs but now they are not and everything has to change. Just crazy. The size of the programs are two different with Class 11B. Football is a game of numbers.... 30 kids against 50 kids is to great a difference IMO. I do think it is the most competitive class in North Dakota because of the tradition of the smaller schools. We will have to wait for a few more games to make the final call on if it will be competitive.
Great example of the squeaky wheel gets the grease unless one wheel is from Fargo. Small schools are mad...who cares! Fargo complains...and the whole system changes! Bottom end of AA and single A get screwed and won't be competitive and that is ok with the state association as long as Fargo, Grand Forks, HCV, Central Cass, Kindred, and Beulah are happy. You will never convince me it makes sense to have Southern McClean (41 boys), Linton (40 boys), and Sargent County (32 boys) in the same division as Central Cass (152 boys), HCV, and Kindred (123 boys). Or Wahpeton (235), Turtle Mountain (284), and Valley City (194) in the same division as Central (637), North (612), and South (502).
Side note: Why don't we seriously consider the 3 class system in basketball? Because large class b schools (HCV, Grafton, Central Cass, Kindred, Beulah, and the privates) dominating is ok regardless of what it does to small schools.
defensewinsgames wrote:maddog1971 wrote:It is just crazy that Fargo and GF schools are not playing at the top level any more. South was always playing for the State Champs but now they are not and everything has to change. Just crazy. The size of the programs are two different with Class 11B. Football is a game of numbers.... 30 kids against 50 kids is to great a difference IMO. I do think it is the most competitive class in North Dakota because of the tradition of the smaller schools. We will have to wait for a few more games to make the final call on if it will be competitive.
Great example of the squeaky wheel gets the grease unless one wheel is from Fargo. Small schools are mad...who cares! Fargo complains...and the whole system changes! Bottom end of AA and single A get screwed and won't be competitive and that is ok with the state association as long as Fargo, Grand Forks, HCV, Central Cass, Kindred, and Beulah are happy. You will never convince me it makes sense to have Southern McClean (41 boys), Linton (40 boys), and Sargent County (32 boys) in the same division as Central Cass (152 boys), HCV, and Kindred (123 boys). Or Wahpeton (235), Turtle Mountain (284), and Valley City (194) in the same division as Central (637), North (612), and South (502).
Side note: Why don't we seriously consider the 3 class system in basketball? Because large class b schools (HCV, Grafton, Central Cass, Kindred, Beulah, and the privates) dominating is ok regardless of what it does to small schools.
defensewinsgames wrote:Those are the numbers from the NDHSAA which pulls them from DPI. Not sure how you feel they are inaccurate but that is where they came from. Unless you have first hand knowledge of the numbers being wrong, I'm going to go with those.
maddog1971 wrote:defensewinsgames wrote:Those are the numbers from the NDHSAA which pulls them from DPI. Not sure how you feel they are inaccurate but that is where they came from. Unless you have first hand knowledge of the numbers being wrong, I'm going to go with those.
Yes I do completely disagree.... Here are the numbers from the NDHSA
CC 152
Kindred 123
EEKM 123
Lisbon 105
Oak Grove 91
Oaks 86
LintonHMB 90
Sargent County 86
HCV 112
Norther Cass 99
Grafton 118
Park River 103
Carrington 103
Thompson 82
Langdon 83
Harvey 86
Velva/Gar 132
Des Lac 121
Newtown 152
Stanley 114
Rugby 95
Nedros 93
Bishop Ryan 74
South Prarie 78
WestHope/NG 73
Beulah 117
Bilings county 105
Hazen 98
Killdeer 103
Shiloh 89
Washburn 91
Trinity 77
Bowman County 73
Now That is right from the NDHSAA Published 2021 attendance.
maddog1971 wrote:The thing is that CC is basically a Coop as well. Mapleton and surrounding areas. Kindred is basically a coop of five towns together as well. Just like a Sargent County or Wells County.... All these towns are Coop basically.
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