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2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:13 amby Sorenson23
Quarterfinals
Friday October 29th
G1 - 13 (4-5) #8 Devils Lake @ #1 Bismarck St. Mary's (8-1) 37
G2 - 9 (4-5) #5 Dickinson @ #4 Fargo South (4-5) 7
G3 - 0 (4-5) #7 Grand Forks Red River @ #2 Jamestown (7-2) 35
G4 - 12 (5-4) #6 Wahpeton @ #3 Fargo North (6-3) 41
Semi-Finals
Friday November 5th
G5 - 14 (5-5) #5 Dickinson @ #1 Bismarck St. Mary's (9-1) 19
G6 - 24 (7-3) #3 Fargo North @ #2 Jamestown (8-2) 41
11A State Title Game
Friday November 12th
G7 - 27 (10-1) #1 Bismarck St. Mary's vs Jamestown #2 (9-2) 41
State Champions - Jamestown Blue Jays (10-2)
Runner-Up - Bismarck St. Mary's Saints (10-2)
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:56 pmby Sportsrube
Half of the teams have a losing record? Nice system we have NDHSAA.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:26 pmby 5-time state chump
Sportsrube wrote:Half of the teams have a losing record? Nice system we have NDHSAA.
4 teams should make playoffs? Just curious...
I mean 4 would be approx 1/3 of the teams.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:10 pmby WalkingStick
At least this level looks better than 11AA where well below .500 made postseason and 6-3 did not
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:37 amby WalkingStick
G1 - (4-5) #8 Devils Lake @ #1 Bismarck St. Mary's (8-1)
Bismarck St. Mary's 49-7
G2 - (4-5) #5 Dickinson @ #4 Fargo South (4-5)
Dickinson 21-17
G3 - (4-5) #7 Grand Forks Red River @ #2 Jamestown (7-2)
Jamestown 28-13
G4 - (5-4) #6 Wahpeton @ #3 Fargo North (6-3)
Fargo North 49-35
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:02 pmby Sorenson23
Quarterfinals
Friday October 29th
G1 - (4-5) #8 Devils Lake @ #1 Bismarck St. Mary's (8-1)
G2 - (4-5) #5 Dickinson @ #4 Fargo South (4-5)
G3 - (4-5) #7 Grand Forks Red River @ #2 Jamestown (7-2)
G4 - (5-4) #6 Wahpeton @ #3 Fargo North (6-3)
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:13 amby MoSiouxFan
Red River and Devils Lake both finished with the same record (4-5) and Devils Lake defeated Red River in the head-to-head, so how does Red River get a higher seed? Asking for a friend.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:59 amby WalkingStick
MoSiouxFan wrote:Red River and Devils Lake both finished with the same record (4-5) and Devils Lake defeated Red River in the head-to-head, so how does Red River get a higher seed? Asking for a friend.
Only thing that mattered was QRF in that instance…ND didn’t utilize the tiebreaker that MN uses that also includes H2H if QRF # is close.
GFRR gained the small QRF advantage by playing 2 11AA schools (11AA multiplier is a little higher than 11A multiplier); Devils Lake played no 11AA schools and lost to a poor 11B school (6th in R2)
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:42 pmby MoSiouxFan
WalkingStick wrote:MoSiouxFan wrote:Red River and Devils Lake both finished with the same record (4-5) and Devils Lake defeated Red River in the head-to-head, so how does Red River get a higher seed? Asking for a friend.
Only thing that mattered was QRF in that instance…ND didn’t utilize the tiebreaker that MN uses that also includes H2H if QRF # is close.
GFRR gained the small QRF advantage by playing 2 11AA schools (11AA multiplier is a little higher than 11A multiplier); Devils Lake played no 11AA schools and lost to a poor 11B school (6th in R2)
Got it, although I believe that H2H is the fairest tiebreaker. Also, it makes no sense to me how just scheduling AA schools gives an advantage; I could see where beating one of them would (give an advantage). Under the current system, DL sure didn't do themselves any favors by losing to a mediocre 11B school.
Thanks for clarifying.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:22 amby WalkingStick
MoSiouxFan wrote:WalkingStick wrote:MoSiouxFan wrote:Red River and Devils Lake both finished with the same record (4-5) and Devils Lake defeated Red River in the head-to-head, so how does Red River get a higher seed? Asking for a friend.
Only thing that mattered was QRF in that instance…ND didn’t utilize the tiebreaker that MN uses that also includes H2H if QRF # is close.
GFRR gained the small QRF advantage by playing 2 11AA schools (11AA multiplier is a little higher than 11A multiplier); Devils Lake played no 11AA schools and lost to a poor 11B school (6th in R2)
Got it, although I believe that H2H is the fairest tiebreaker. Also, it makes no sense to me how just scheduling AA schools gives an advantage; I could see where beating one of them would (give an advantage). Under the current system, DL sure didn't do themselves any favors by losing to a mediocre 11B school.
Thanks for clarifying.
It’s the same concept with the formula as used in MN where playing a AAAA school could potentially help a smaller school (AA or AAA); I’m sure the thought of a tiebreaker never once crossed the NDHSAA’s mind when deciding to use the QRF.
In the end, I think what dropped DL more was the loss to Grafton then the scheduling of AA EDC schools by GFRR.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:06 amby MoSiouxFan
I agree. BTW, what does QRF stand for?
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:58 amby WalkingStick
MoSiouxFan wrote:I agree. BTW, what does QRF stand for?
http://www.minnesota-scores.net/faqs/general
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:01 pmby WalkingStick
Essentially the State decided that Region Record didn't really matter after deciding the Top 3 or 5...because Jamestown beat St. Mary's this year and BSM still got the #1 seed and Jamestown settled for #2...so I guess if they would have used H2H as something that mattered...these teams would still be playing each other...they'd just be on the opposite sides of the bracket
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:30 pmby Bisonguy06
Head to head should ALWAYS be the #1 tiebreaker.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:07 amby WalkingStick
Bisonguy06 wrote:Head to head should ALWAYS be the #1 tiebreaker.
Agreed…my point was the State chose to not have logical tiebreakers they just rolled with QRF number without considering tiebreakers…MN has tiebreakers included if the QRF of two teams is within a certain range (this varies for different sports).
Using the QRF the way they did (and understanding how it works more than most)…I’m not sure why conference records really even mattered
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:18 amby Thundersnow
Completely agree, WalkingStick. If QRF is going to be used, conference records and standings should not be used. If conference standings determine who the playoff teams are, then playoff seeding should be determined by the final conference records as well. I have to believe that casual fans are confused by trying to understand this current system.
That being said, 11A lucked out this year. I think the correct 8 teams made the playoffs, and seeding was pretty accurate. However, 11AA was an absolute mess this year, so I have to believe some changes are coming for next year.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:21 amby ChickenNuggets
I think that the changes coming for next year in AA is simply that they are playing more games against other AA schools instead of games with A schools. with everyone playing more games within their own division it should make the QRF more accurate. Not that I am defending the use of QRF, Just saying it SHOULD be more accurate when teams play a vast majority within their own division.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:10 amby Sorenson23
Semi-Finals
Friday November 5th
G5 - (5-5) #5 Dickinson @ #1 Bismarck St. Mary's (9-1) St. Mary's 34-12
G6 - (7-3) #3 Fargo North @ #2 Jamestown (8-2) Jamestown 26-18
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:42 amby WalkingStick
Bismarck St. Mary's 28-15
Jamestown 28-27
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:58 pmby ChickenNuggets
St. Mary's wins by 2 TD's
Jamestown Defense shows up and wins 28-6
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:32 pmby 5-time state chump
Jamestown mopping the field with North.
Up 32-0
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:36 pmby WalkingStick
5-time state chump wrote:Jamestown mopping the field with North.
Up 32-0
Hope Fargo North's RB is okay after his injury early in this game.
Jamestown is the TRUE #1 seed IMO since they did beat BSM earlier this year
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:44 pmby 5-time state chump
WalkingStick wrote:5-time state chump wrote:Jamestown mopping the field with North.
Up 32-0
Hope Fargo North's RB is okay after his injury early in this game.
Jamestown is the TRUE #1 seed IMO since they did beat BSM earlier this year
The correct rankings will be announced next Friday.
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:23 pmby WalkingStick
#1 Bismarck St. Mary's DEF. #5 Dickinson 19-14
#2 Jamestown DEF. #3 Fargo North 41-24
Re: 2021 11A Playoff Bracket
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Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:59 amby ChickenNuggets
5-time state chump wrote:Sportsrube wrote:Half of the teams have a losing record? Nice system we have NDHSAA.
4 teams should make playoffs? Just curious...
I mean 4 would be approx 1/3 of the teams.
I'm not saying this is a good model, but it's not like this doesn't happen elsewhere.
10-6 Miami Dolphins- Didn't make playoffs last year.
8-8 LV Raider and AZ Cardinals- Didn't make playoffs last year.
7-9 Washington Football team- Hosted a playoff game last year.
I do think a better solution would be more games within the division (11A vs, 11A instead of all the games vs. 11AA) and then just take top 8 regardless of region instead of a predetermined allotment from each region.