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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:52 am
by cubsfan
north_border_eagles2106 wrote:I would put Jeff Boschee on the top of the list.  Boschee is the Big Ten leader in three point field goals made and is the best player in the history of North Dakota because the level of competition was much higher for him then say Steve Blehm.  Not taking anything away from nearing 4,000 career points but I guarantee he wouldnt've been half as effective playing at the time Boschee did for Valley City.

I find that hard to believe because he played for Kansas which is in the Big Twelve.  JK

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:28 am
by north_border_eagles2106
Haha, yeah you know what I meant.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:40 am
by BB11
I would say Steve Blehm is definitely the most dominant Class B player.
The three best Class B players I ever saw live were Todd Olson - Cavalier, Scott Guldseth - Edinburg, and Hunter Berg - Grenora.
I never saw Blehm play - but I'm sure he was a great shooter, but Todd was the best shooter I ever saw in my life.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:39 am
by BaldEagle
1. Blehm,  2. Pyle, 3. Guldseth, 4. Berg, 5. Randy Helling Lakota

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:44 am
by The Schwab
1. Steve Blehm
2. Hunter Burg
3. Scott Guldseth
4. Travis Kraft

Those four deserve to be in the top 5......alot of other good players for the fifth spot.......i dont know....take your pick

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:03 am
by ndlionsfan
Schwab.....you're just like anyone else from the valley that drools over Travis Kraft and MPCG.  Yes, he was a very very good played, but not one of the top 5 to ever play in ND.  I've changed my mind about Blehm and here are my top 5...

Blehm

Berg

Guldseth

Olson

Evan Lindahl

Yes, I know its probably a surprise to have Lindahl on there, but you can't argue with over 2000 pts and 1000 reb.  Todd Olson and Lindahl are the only 2 to accomplish that in ND history.  My honorable mentions would be Jason Haagenson, Marty McDonald, Fred Fridley, Kyle Carr, Jerry Pyle......no Travis Kraft

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:04 am
by north_border_eagles2106
The Schwab wrote:1. Steve Blehm
2. Hunter Burg
3. Scott Guldseth
4. Travis Kraft

Those four deserve to be in the top 5......alot of other good players for the fifth spot.......i dont know....take your pick

Evan Lindahl

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:08 am
by jetblue12
ndlionsfan wrote:Schwab.....you're just like anyone else from the valley that drools over Travis Kraft and MPCG.  Yes, he was a very very good played, but not one of the top 5 to ever play in ND.  I've changed my mind about Blehm and here are my top 5...

Blehm

Boschee

Guldseth

Olson

Evan Lindahl

Yes, I know its probably a surprise to have Lindahl on there, but you can't argue with over 2000 pts and 1000 reb.  Todd Olson and Lindahl are the only 2 to accomplish that in ND history.  My honorable mentions would be Jason Haagenson, Marty McDonald, Fred Fridley, Kyle Carr, Jerry Pyle......no Travis Kraft

 

lindahl?  kraft over lindahl and carr, no question about it.

well the valley has the best region year in and year out man and i dont drool over mpcg and kraft.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:10 am
by The Schwab
jetblue12 wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:Schwab.....you're just like anyone else from the valley that drools over Travis Kraft and MPCG.  Yes, he was a very very good played, but not one of the top 5 to ever play in ND.  I've changed my mind about Blehm and here are my top 5...

Blehm

Boschee

Guldseth

Olson

Evan Lindahl

Yes, I know its probably a surprise to have Lindahl on there, but you can't argue with over 2000 pts and 1000 reb.  Todd Olson and Lindahl are the only 2 to accomplish that in ND history.  My honorable mentions would be Jason Haagenson, Marty McDonald, Fred Fridley, Kyle Carr, Jerry Pyle......no Travis Kraft

 

lindahl?  kraft over lindahl and carr, no question about it.

well the valley has the best region year in and year out man and i dont drool over mpcg and kraft.

and your just like everyone else from the lake area that drools over Lindahl.....good player....but come on now.....Travis Kraft deserves to be on this list.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:15 am
by north_border_eagles2106
jetblue12 wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:Schwab.....you're just like anyone else from the valley that drools over Travis Kraft and MPCG.  Yes, he was a very very good played, but not one of the top 5 to ever play in ND.  I've changed my mind about Blehm and here are my top 5...

Blehm

Boschee

Guldseth

Olson

Evan Lindahl

Yes, I know its probably a surprise to have Lindahl on there, but you can't argue with over 2000 pts and 1000 reb.  Todd Olson and Lindahl are the only 2 to accomplish that in ND history.  My honorable mentions would be Jason Haagenson, Marty McDonald, Fred Fridley, Kyle Carr, Jerry Pyle......no Travis Kraft

 

lindahl?  kraft over lindahl and carr, no question about it.

well the valley has the best region year in and year out man and i dont drool over mpcg and kraft.

Hey ndlions fan, I put Boschee on this list too but then read the name of the topic and it says best Class B player ever.  So Boschee would not be on this list... and in that case, It would be Travis Kraft on that list.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:17 am
by ndlionsfan
I don't drool over Lindahl...you just can't argue with his stats.  Give me some stats to backup with Kraft is top 5 to EVER play class B ball in ND.  And don't give me this junk about him playing at SC....If you're 6'7" and can play a guard you get looks at DI schools.  Now if he had a great DI career, then maybe.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:19 am
by ndlionsfan
north_border_eagles2106 wrote:
jetblue12 wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:Schwab.....you're just like anyone else from the valley that drools over Travis Kraft and MPCG.  Yes, he was a very very good played, but not one of the top 5 to ever play in ND.  I've changed my mind about Blehm and here are my top 5...

Blehm

Boschee

Guldseth

Olson

Evan Lindahl

Yes, I know its probably a surprise to have Lindahl on there, but you can't argue with over 2000 pts and 1000 reb.  Todd Olson and Lindahl are the only 2 to accomplish that in ND history.  My honorable mentions would be Jason Haagenson, Marty McDonald, Fred Fridley, Kyle Carr, Jerry Pyle......no Travis Kraft

 

lindahl?  kraft over lindahl and carr, no question about it.

well the valley has the best region year in and year out man and i dont drool over mpcg and kraft.

Hey ndlions fan, I put Boschee on this list too but then read the name of the topic and it says best Class B player ever.  So Boschee would not be on this list... and in that case, It would be Travis Kraft on that list.

My bad, that's true....Boschee shouldn't be on the list.....Kraft still not on there.  I left off Berg before.....that's what I meant instead of Boschee

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:22 am
by The Schwab
ndlionsfan wrote:I don't drool over Lindahl...you just can't argue with his stats.  Give me some stats to backup with Kraft is top 5 to EVER play class B ball in ND.  And don't give me this junk about him playing at SC....If you're 6'7" and can play a guard you get looks at DI schools.  Now if he had a great DI career, then maybe.
Alright...i will try my best....but remember...be patient........Travis Kraft in two of his years of high school played on teams that have been argued as the greatest teams of all time.......thus he didnt get as much playing time as evan lindahl did.......when did lindahl start playing varsity.....7th, 8th grade....i bet he was a four year starter at least....so then arguing stats doesnt really make much sense now does it? also competition makes a pretty big deal when you talk about stats too.....and we all know that region 2 has been one of/if not the strongest region for a LONG, LONG time.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:23 am
by north_border_eagles2106
Well if not Kraft then who?  Do you have something against Kraft or you honestly think that the only Class B player to ever get playing time in NCAA Division 1 basketball isn't one of the 5 best from Class B.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:47 am
by ndlionsfan
Yes, I honestly think he wasn't one of the top 5 greatest class B ball players in ND.  I'd put any one of my honorable mentions in before Kraft.  I don't even think Kraft is the best all time from his own school.  Ben Jacobson is definately above him, maybe Rygg and Tom Jacobson, too.....but I think I'd put Kraft #2 from MP

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:49 am
by ndlionsfan
The Schwab wrote:
ndlionsfan wrote:I don't drool over Lindahl...you just can't argue with his stats.  Give me some stats to backup with Kraft is top 5 to EVER play class B ball in ND.  And don't give me this junk about him playing at SC....If you're 6'7" and can play a guard you get looks at DI schools.  Now if he had a great DI career, then maybe.
Alright...i will try my best....but remember...be patient........Travis Kraft in two of his years of high school played on teams that have been argued as the greatest teams of all time.......thus he didnt get as much playing time as evan lindahl did.......when did lindahl start playing varsity.....7th, 8th grade....i bet he was a four year starter at least....so then arguing stats doesnt really make much sense now does it? also competition makes a pretty big deal when you talk about stats too.....and we all know that region 2 has been one of/if not the strongest region for a LONG, LONG time.

 

Shouldn't one of the greatest all time players been a starter on the greatest team of all time??  If not, I think the 5 starters deserved to be ranked higher

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:49 am
by jetblue12
ndlionsfan wrote:Yes, I honestly think he wasn't one of the top 5 greatest class B ball players in ND.  I'd put any one of my honorable mentions in before Kraft.  I don't even think Kraft is the best all time from his own school.  Ben Jacobson is definately above him, maybe Rygg and Tom Jacobson, too.....but I think I'd put Kraft #2 from MP

yeah your right ben and tom were great, i never saw rygg play tho

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:07 am
by BaldEagle
[font=Arial]Pyle was the driving force on a great Central Cass Team[/font]

[font=Arial]http://www.prairiepublic.org/features/classB/best.htm[/font]

[font=Arial]Casselton Central Cass 1968[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]Over a two year period, from 1967 to 1968, the Squirrels eclipsed the 100 point mark 12 times and beat such brutal Minnesota competition as Moorhead, White Bear Lake and Bemidji. The Moorhead team they beat went on that year to finish second in the Minnesota state tournament behind Edina. 6'7" center Jerry Pyle played college ball at the University of Minnesota.[/font]

[font=Arial].......................[/font]

[font=Arial][font=Arial]"I have an opinion about this, if you want me to express it. I think May Port has a lot of forwards playing guard [/font][i][font=Arial](grins)[/font][font=Arial] and they would have had trouble with us ... they wouldn't have wanted to play us ([/font][font=Arial]grinning[/font][font=Arial])."[/font]

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[font=Arial]- Jerry Pyle, Central Cass player class of 1968[/font]
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[font=Arial][/font] 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:09 am
by jetblue12
BaldEagle wrote:[font=Arial]Pyle was the driving force on a great Central Cass Team[/font]

[font=Arial]http://www.prairiepublic.org/features/classB/best.htm[/font]

[font=Arial]Casselton Central Cass 1968[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]Over a two year period, from 1967 to 1968, the Squirrels eclipsed the 100 point mark 12 times and beat such brutal Minnesota competition as Moorhead, White Bear Lake and Bemidji. The Moorhead team they beat went on that year to finish second in the Minnesota state tournament behind Edina. 6'7" center Jerry Pyle played college ball at the University of Minnesota.[/font]

[font=Arial].......................[/font]

[font=Arial][font=Arial]"I have an opinion about this, if you want me to express it. I think May Port has a lot of forwards playing guard [/font][i][font=Arial](grins)[/font][font=Arial] and they would have had trouble with us ... they wouldn't have wanted to play us ([/font][font=Arial]grinning[/font][font=Arial])."[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]- Jerry Pyle, Central Cass player class of 1968[/font]
[/indent][/font][/i]
[font=Arial][/font] 
[/indent]


[font=Arial]"I would definitely have to say ours was the greatest team. These kids could do things with basketballs and moves that we only dreamed of back in the 60s."[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]- Del Kessler, May-Port-C-G head coach[/font]
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:11 am
by BaldEagle
jetblue12 wrote:
BaldEagle wrote:[font=Arial]Pyle was the driving force on a great Central Cass Team[/font]

[font=Arial]http://www.prairiepublic.org/features/classB/best.htm[/font]

[font=Arial]Casselton Central Cass 1968[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]Over a two year period, from 1967 to 1968, the Squirrels eclipsed the 100 point mark 12 times and beat such brutal Minnesota competition as Moorhead, White Bear Lake and Bemidji. The Moorhead team they beat went on that year to finish second in the Minnesota state tournament behind Edina. 6'7" center Jerry Pyle played college ball at the University of Minnesota.[/font]

[font=Arial].......................[/font]

[font=Arial][font=Arial]"I have an opinion about this, if you want me to express it. I think May Port has a lot of forwards playing guard [/font][i][font=Arial](grins)[/font][font=Arial] and they would have had trouble with us ... they wouldn't have wanted to play us ([/font][font=Arial]grinning[/font][font=Arial])."[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]- Jerry Pyle, Central Cass player class of 1968[/font]
[/indent][/font][/i]
[font=Arial][/font] 
[/indent]


[font=Arial]"I would definitely have to say ours was the greatest team. These kids could do things with basketballs and moves that we only dreamed of back in the 60s."[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]- Del Kessler, May-Port-C-G head coach[/font]
[/indent]

[font=Arial]Jerry Pyle, Casselton Central Cass '68-Jerry's 102 point, 59 rebound performance at the 1968 State "B" remains one of the most dominant in state tournament history.[/font]

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:12 am
by jetblue12
BaldEagle wrote:
jetblue12 wrote:
BaldEagle wrote:[font=Arial]Pyle was the driving force on a great Central Cass Team[/font]

[font=Arial]http://www.prairiepublic.org/features/classB/best.htm[/font]

[font=Arial]Casselton Central Cass 1968[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]Over a two year period, from 1967 to 1968, the Squirrels eclipsed the 100 point mark 12 times and beat such brutal Minnesota competition as Moorhead, White Bear Lake and Bemidji. The Moorhead team they beat went on that year to finish second in the Minnesota state tournament behind Edina. 6'7" center Jerry Pyle played college ball at the University of Minnesota.[/font]

[font=Arial].......................[/font]

[font=Arial][font=Arial]"I have an opinion about this, if you want me to express it. I think May Port has a lot of forwards playing guard [/font][i][font=Arial](grins)[/font][font=Arial] and they would have had trouble with us ... they wouldn't have wanted to play us ([/font][font=Arial]grinning[/font][font=Arial])."[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]- Jerry Pyle, Central Cass player class of 1968[/font]
[/indent][/font][/i]
[font=Arial][/font] 
[/indent]


[font=Arial]"I would definitely have to say ours was the greatest team. These kids could do things with basketballs and moves that we only dreamed of back in the 60s."[/font]

[indent]
[font=Arial]- Del Kessler, May-Port-C-G head coach[/font]
[/indent]

[font=Arial]Jerry Pyle, Casselton Central Cass '68-Jerry's 102 point, 59 rebound performance at the 1968 State "B" remains one of the most dominant in state tournament history.[/font]

pretty close to mike mathisons 2007 state perfromance.....

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:16 am
by BaldEagle
Now you are getting rediculous. :P

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:17 am
by jetblue12
BaldEagle wrote:Now you are getting rediculous. :P

comeon the numbers man.... ok i like to stir the pot:duel:

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:29 am
by sodadrinker
i would say robert lawrence was one of the best players in class b history.  he was amazing.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:37 am
by WildWarrior
sodadrinker wrote:i would say robert lawrence was one of the best players in class b history.  he was amazing.

Agreed, talk about tremendous offense.  Was going to bring him up in the topic of TI getting robbed.  No Sr. athlete of the year for him either and no big college offers and I have to think with his body and offense he was much more college ready.  Both were great players from the local area and I have said I would love to have both on my team!!!!