North Dakota Preps

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

I do find it interesting that the school with the smallest enrollment is the one that has been #1 in the rankings most of the year and is one of two undefeated teams going into the state tournament. I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but these numbers COULD (and I stress could) be an argument for a 3 class system. Appreciate the numbers, but some people don't realize that difference 5-10 per class could mean for a building a team and a program. In some of the smaller class B schools, if half of those students are male, that's another 2-5 guys to choose from to play bball and, who knows, maybe 1 every couple years could be a very solid player. That small difference can mean a lot to a team!

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

Cavalier, Langdon and a few more easily have over 20 also...so we have here "Today's representation of Class B"
What in a nutshell Schwab is the answer?? because I have always supported School consolidations (not sports) to take place as the counter, rather than 3 classes.

winner-within wrote:

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

Cavalier, Langdon and a few more easily have over 20 also...so we have here "Today's representation of Class B"
What in a nutshell Schwab is the answer?? because I have always supported School consolidations (not sports) to take place as the counter, rather than 3 classes.

I have never claimed to have all of the answers. But please don't try and tell me that 67 kids in a class competing against a school that averages 8 in a class is fair.

Explain to me the difference between those enrollment biases and the ones that exist at the Class A level.
Minot - 449 per class.
Bismarck High - 466 per class
Bismarck Century - 386 per class
Jamestown - 189 per
Dickinson - 200 per
St. Mary's - 81 per
West Fargo - 368 per
Wahp - 98 per

Someone has to be the big school, and someone has to be the small school. Nature of the beast in North Dakota athletics.

The Schwab wrote:

winner-within wrote:

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

Cavalier, Langdon and a few more easily have over 20 also...so we have here "Today's representation of Class B"
What in a nutshell Schwab is the answer?? because I have always supported School consolidations (not sports) to take place as the counter, rather than 3 classes.

I have never claimed to have all of the answers. But please don't try and tell me that 67 kids in a class competing against a school that averages 8 in a class is fair.

I'm being serious when I ask, "What could we do" Its OK if the Idea was sparked on here, thats partially what this board is for, Is it even fair to the students with 8 per class to be involved in academics in this small of a setting let alone sports? I'm asking

Coach Rerick wrote:Explain to me the difference between those enrollment biases and the ones that exist at the Class A level.
Minot - 449 per class.
Bismarck High - 466 per class
Bismarck Century - 386 per class
Jamestown - 189 per
Dickinson - 200 per
St. Mary's - 81 per
West Fargo - 368 per
Wahp - 98 per

Someone has to be the big school, and someone has to be the small school. Nature of the beast in North Dakota athletics.

Well said!!!

Coach Rerick wrote:Explain to me the difference between those enrollment biases and the ones that exist at the Class A level.
Minot - 449 per class.
Bismarck High - 466 per class
Bismarck Century - 386 per class
Jamestown - 189 per
Dickinson - 200 per
St. Mary's - 81 per
West Fargo - 368 per
Wahp - 98 per

Someone has to be the big school, and someone has to be the small school. Nature of the beast in North Dakota athletics.

Good point!

winner-within wrote:

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

Cavalier, Langdon and a few more easily have over 20 also...so we have here "Today's representation of Class B"
What in a nutshell Schwab is the answer?? because I have always supported School consolidations (not sports) to take place as the counter, rather than 3 classes.

Here's the only argument I can make against school consolidation vs. sport co-ops (and I'll try to be brief because I know that's not what this thread was meant to be about). A school with 8 in each class (which I think is pretty rare even in ND) could still have a chance for a quality education; small class sizes is what a lot of colleges pride themselves on. However, not the same opportunities. While some curricular things, like band/choir, suffer, smaller classes can be good for traditional education. But, small classes are bad for sports and other extra-curricular things. If you co-op, students are making a choice to drive and participate in what would likely be a more competitive athletic program. If you consolidate schools, students have to drive just to get to and from classes. Since extra-curricular activities are extra, by definition, I have less of a problem with driving and spending time/effort/money to participate in them than students spending more time/effort getting to and from school. Don't get me wrong, there may be a lot of other reasons for consolidating schools in certain situations, but I don't think sports has to be a determining factor. Co-ops I think are a nice way to keep local schools open while staying competitive athletically.

If they are already talking about lowering Property taxes (primary source of public school funding) the $$ is there.
They can figure out how to Transport kids to school, Build a few new schools and make sure that no one is suffering in any activity whether it be Academics, Band, Choir, Speech etc. etc. let alone all the sports.
Also any small school with 8 in a class, is also asking teachers to work for less... that isn't the case with a college professor having smaller Class settings.

winner-within wrote:If they are already talking about lowering Property taxes (primary source of public school funding) the $$ is there.
They can figure out how to Transport kids to school, Build a few new schools and make sure that no one is suffering in any activity whether it be Academics, Band, Choir, Speech etc. etc. let alone all the sports.
Also any small school with 8 in a class, is also asking teachers to work for less... that isn't the case with a college professor having smaller Class settings.

Those small schools will never have an issue getting teachers to teach for less...because you always have a new 'crop' of new teachers straight out of college that will take any job regardless of $$.

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

So now NewTown isn't "Class B"? That's the first I've heard of that.

winner-within wrote:

ndfan wrote:

winner-within wrote:I agree, Dickinson Trinity, Bishop Ryan, Oak Grove and such, along with Valley City they should all be in Class A and stay there until they get to 100 or less total in HS, then it would equal things out to the 150 to 200's drawing from 1,000 to 2,000 people....Great point, great analysis!

Might as well just shut down the school if they get 100 or less kids.

Thats what they did to my school, should a just went back to Class C we could of stayed open...AND WON THE STATE CLASS C TOURNAMENT LIKE MY UNCLES DID IN THE 60'S...

Didn't Osnabrock win the State C title in the mid 50's?

BB11 wrote:

winner-within wrote:

ndfan wrote:

winner-within wrote:I agree, Dickinson Trinity, Bishop Ryan, Oak Grove and such, along with Valley City they should all be in Class A and stay there until they get to 100 or less total in HS, then it would equal things out to the 150 to 200's drawing from 1,000 to 2,000 people....Great point, great analysis!

Might as well just shut down the school if they get 100 or less kids.

Thats what they did to my school, should a just went back to Class C we could of stayed open...AND WON THE STATE CLASS C TOURNAMENT LIKE MY UNCLES DID IN THE 60'S...

Didn't Osnabrock win the State C title in the mid 50's?

1955

Run4Fun2009 wrote:

BB11 wrote:

winner-within wrote:

ndfan wrote:

winner-within wrote:I agree, Dickinson Trinity, Bishop Ryan, Oak Grove and such, along with Valley City they should all be in Class A and stay there until they get to 100 or less total in HS, then it would equal things out to the 150 to 200's drawing from 1,000 to 2,000 people....Great point, great analysis!

Might as well just shut down the school if they get 100 or less kids.

Thats what they did to my school, should a just went back to Class C we could of stayed open...AND WON THE STATE CLASS C TOURNAMENT LIKE MY UNCLES DID IN THE 60'S...

Didn't Osnabrock win the State C title in the mid 50's?

1955

Thats the one

Pat myself on the back for figuring that one out.

Coach Rerick wrote:Explain to me the difference between those enrollment biases and the ones that exist at the Class A level.
Minot - 449 per class.
Bismarck High - 466 per class
Bismarck Century - 386 per class
Jamestown - 189 per
Dickinson - 200 per
St. Mary's - 81 per
West Fargo - 368 per
Wahp - 98 per

Someone has to be the big school, and someone has to be the small school. Nature of the beast in North Dakota athletics.

Way to go Coach! You summed it up quite well.

Hinsa wrote:

Coach Rerick wrote:Explain to me the difference between those enrollment biases and the ones that exist at the Class A level.
Minot - 449 per class.
Bismarck High - 466 per class
Bismarck Century - 386 per class
Jamestown - 189 per
Dickinson - 200 per
St. Mary's - 81 per
West Fargo - 368 per
Wahp - 98 per

Someone has to be the big school, and someone has to be the small school. Nature of the beast in North Dakota athletics.

Way to go Coach! You summed it up quite well.

Riiiiiiiight Hinsa (a.k.a. Class "B" apologist), with one glaring omission.

If it's just as simple as someone being big and someone being small, I suggest you review the one-class thread. Let's make it fair for everyone.

heimer wrote:

Hinsa wrote:

Coach Rerick wrote:Explain to me the difference between those enrollment biases and the ones that exist at the Class A level.
Minot - 449 per class.
Bismarck High - 466 per class
Bismarck Century - 386 per class
Jamestown - 189 per
Dickinson - 200 per
St. Mary's - 81 per
West Fargo - 368 per
Wahp - 98 per

Someone has to be the big school, and someone has to be the small school. Nature of the beast in North Dakota athletics.

Way to go Coach! You summed it up quite well.

Riiiiiiiight Hinsa (a.k.a. Class "B" apologist), with one glaring omission.

If it's just as simple as someone being big and someone being small, I suggest you review the one-class thread. Let's make it fair for everyone.

Reviewed it, posted in it several times and stated I could stomach 1 class more than I could stomach 3 classes, but I prefer 2.

Who put you in such a bad mood again?

BB11 wrote:

winner-within wrote:

ndfan wrote:

winner-within wrote:I agree, Dickinson Trinity, Bishop Ryan, Oak Grove and such, along with Valley City they should all be in Class A and stay there until they get to 100 or less total in HS, then it would equal things out to the 150 to 200's drawing from 1,000 to 2,000 people....Great point, great analysis!

Open enrollment among public school districts totally shoots down that theory.

scruffy wrote:

BB11 wrote:

winner-within wrote:

ndfan wrote:

winner-within wrote:I agree, Dickinson Trinity, Bishop Ryan, Oak Grove and such, along with Valley City they should all be in Class A and stay there until they get to 100 or less total in HS, then it would equal things out to the 150 to 200's drawing from 1,000 to 2,000 people....Great point, great analysis!

Open enrollment among public school districts totally shoots down that theory.

So does sarcasm...You dont know me well

Hinsa wrote:

Coach Rerick wrote:Explain to me the difference between those enrollment biases and the ones that exist at the Class A level.
Minot - 449 per class.
Bismarck High - 466 per class
Bismarck Century - 386 per class
Jamestown - 189 per
Dickinson - 200 per
St. Mary's - 81 per
West Fargo - 368 per
Wahp - 98 per

Someone has to be the big school, and someone has to be the small school. Nature of the beast in North Dakota athletics.

Way to go Coach! You summed it up quite well.

Its funny how everyone is Kissing the coaches butt...but when I said I grew up in a small school (50, 9-12) with just Bball for the only sport and said it was fair then its definitely fair now....there were many who disagreed, in fact there was an Idea of having a tournament for the ones who didnt make the regions

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

I think Ryan's numbers might be slightly high. I really don't think they have 40 kids per class.

sportsfan25 wrote:

winner-within wrote:

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

Cavalier, Langdon and a few more easily have over 20 also...so we have here "Today's representation of Class B"
What in a nutshell Schwab is the answer?? because I have always supported School consolidations (not sports) to take place as the counter, rather than 3 classes.

Here's the only argument I can make against school consolidation vs. sport co-ops (and I'll try to be brief because I know that's not what this thread was meant to be about). A school with 8 in each class (which I think is pretty rare even in ND) could still have a chance for a quality education; small class sizes is what a lot of colleges pride themselves on. However, not the same opportunities. While some curricular things, like band/choir, suffer, smaller classes can be good for traditional education. But, small classes are bad for sports and other extra-curricular things. If you co-op, students are making a choice to drive and participate in what would likely be a more competitive athletic program. If you consolidate schools, students have to drive just to get to and from classes. Since extra-curricular activities are extra, by definition, I have less of a problem with driving and spending time/effort/money to participate in them than students spending more time/effort getting to and from school. Don't get me wrong, there may be a lot of other reasons for consolidating schools in certain situations, but I don't think sports has to be a determining factor. Co-ops I think are a nice way to keep local schools open while staying competitive athletically.

Excellent point! People who have never grown up or worked in one of these smalls schools just don't understand.

ndlionsfan wrote:

sportsfan25 wrote:

winner-within wrote:

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

Cavalier, Langdon and a few more easily have over 20 also...so we have here "Today's representation of Class B"
What in a nutshell Schwab is the answer?? because I have always supported School consolidations (not sports) to take place as the counter, rather than 3 classes.

Here's the only argument I can make against school consolidation vs. sport co-ops (and I'll try to be brief because I know that's not what this thread was meant to be about). A school with 8 in each class (which I think is pretty rare even in ND) could still have a chance for a quality education; small class sizes is what a lot of colleges pride themselves on. However, not the same opportunities. While some curricular things, like band/choir, suffer, smaller classes can be good for traditional education. But, small classes are bad for sports and other extra-curricular things. If you co-op, students are making a choice to drive and participate in what would likely be a more competitive athletic program. If you consolidate schools, students have to drive just to get to and from classes. Since extra-curricular activities are extra, by definition, I have less of a problem with driving and spending time/effort/money to participate in them than students spending more time/effort getting to and from school. Don't get me wrong, there may be a lot of other reasons for consolidating schools in certain situations, but I don't think sports has to be a determining factor. Co-ops I think are a nice way to keep local schools open while staying competitive athletically.

Excellent point! People who have never grown up or worked in one of these smalls schools just don't understand.

I've had kids in one of the smallest class B schools in the northeast part of the state, and I've had kids in one of the largest class B schools in the northeast part of the state. Speaking for myself, I'll side with the larger B size. Kids are better preped for life after high school.

ndlionsfan wrote:

sportsfan25 wrote:

winner-within wrote:

The Schwab wrote:Region 1- Fargo Oak Grove- 195 (7-12) 32.5 kids per class
Region 2- Grafton- 265 (9-12) 66.25 kids per class
Region 3- Linton- 124 (9-12) 31 kids per class
Region 4- North Star- 82 (9-12) 20.5 kids per class
Region 5- Standing Rock- 238 (7-12) 39.67 kids per class
Region 6- Bishop Ryan- 251 (7-12) 41.83 kids per class
Region 7- Dickinson Trinity- 160 (7-12) 26.7 kids per class (I'm 99 percent sure this number is low)
Region 8- New Town- 215 (9-12) 53.75 kids per class

I don't think these enrollment numbers represent "Class B". Some of these schools have more kids in one class then most class b schools have in their entire high school. Just my two cents.

Cavalier, Langdon and a few more easily have over 20 also...so we have here "Today's representation of Class B"
What in a nutshell Schwab is the answer?? because I have always supported School consolidations (not sports) to take place as the counter, rather than 3 classes.

Here's the only argument I can make against school consolidation vs. sport co-ops (and I'll try to be brief because I know that's not what this thread was meant to be about). A school with 8 in each class (which I think is pretty rare even in ND) could still have a chance for a quality education; small class sizes is what a lot of colleges pride themselves on. However, not the same opportunities. While some curricular things, like band/choir, suffer, smaller classes can be good for traditional education. But, small classes are bad for sports and other extra-curricular things. If you co-op, students are making a choice to drive and participate in what would likely be a more competitive athletic program. If you consolidate schools, students have to drive just to get to and from classes. Since extra-curricular activities are extra, by definition, I have less of a problem with driving and spending time/effort/money to participate in them than students spending more time/effort getting to and from school. Don't get me wrong, there may be a lot of other reasons for consolidating schools in certain situations, but I don't think sports has to be a determining factor. Co-ops I think are a nice way to keep local schools open while staying competitive athletically.

Excellent point! People who have never grown up or worked in one of these smalls schools just don't understand.

So I've told you at least 10 times...ONE SPORT, 50 KIDS 9-12...THE WORST EDUCATION SETTING IN ND...but I just don't understand