baseball wrote:vballer5 wrote:baseball wrote:vballer5 wrote:baseball wrote:you still have yet to provide proof of all these parochials recruiting? what evidance do you have.........repeat state appearances, o wow. bring out the big guns and take sports away from that school so others have a chance. the proof in this case was that the coach did indeed go into the homes of students. if he didnt you would still accuse Langdon of recruiting because the 9 straight state seasons.
The only problem i do see with the punishment is that the coach does still have a job. im not suggesting taking coaching away for the rest of his life but a 2-3 year suspension maybe. other then that i agree with the punishment 100%. why do you feel teachers and the school board should be fired? unless the caoch was a teacher maybe he can be fired but i still dont think that would be right. you cant take away from the kids education because a coach messed up. after all, the kids are referred to as "STUDENT athletes". unless they were in the house with the coach talking to the kids, why do they deserve to lose their job???
go back to a real world scenario again. say a secretary or whatever is stealing supplies and money from an office. do you fire the president, VP, CEO, COO and all them high rollers just because some intern took a few staplers??
excellent!!!! you are catching on!
haha i wouldnt say we agree yet. i still like the punishment, just not his idiots idea to fire the whole school.....i suppose the custodians can stay
suppose so... i agree with punishment at a different level towards different people so we have something in common.
yea we both disagree with fbinnd haha
fbinnd wrote:To ND Coach,
I understand your effort, and I appreciate your candor in labelling this decision as a mistake on the part of the coach involved. Good for you in parting with the "Iron Curtain" of coaches in this state and calling a spade a spade.
I would like to suggest, however, that telling the players to simply struggle up the injustice and deal with it is not the right advice.
To the Langdon volleyball players: Demand some accountability in this situation. I've never been a fan of firing coaches on a win/loss basis. But at least a coach can sit back and run a clean program. Your's didn't, and that coach needs to be held accountable.
ND Coach is right: The sting of losing this year's potential will eventually fade. But you have an important choice now. You can either just go ahead and decide that there's nothing left to fight for, or you can demand that educators and coaches be held accountable for their actions, something that rarely happens in North Dakota.
You volleyball players from Langdon should be attending school board meetings and demanding the firing of this coach. Simply playing out the season for the season is not enough. The NDHSAA has pinned the entire punishment on you, and that simply isn't fair. The school board and administration has allowed the punishment to be pinned solely on you. The coach has allowed it to happen. No one will stand up and admit responsibility. They are all cowards to allow 17 and 18 year old girls to do the time they should have to do.
If your coach survives with a job, and your administrators and school board sit back and let you take all the punishment, it will be an injustice that will never go away. You will think about it forever. You have a chance to make sure that no other player loses a post-season by proving to the state that there really are penalties for not playing by the rules. It's either that, or someday, when you're in your 20's or 30's, and you hear about another team sitting out because their coach recruited, you'll feel like you could have prevented it, and didn't. Don't let the state make you the example. Make the people responsible live up to it.
fbinnd wrote:Exactly. No lesson here at all. It's obvious that the NDHSAA just simply doesn't consider recruiting a problem. Even when they know it went on, they turn a blind eye, and establish a punishment because they absolutely have to, not because they want to end recruiting.
These coaches should be out of the game indefinitely. I'm sure that if the NDHSAA tried to permanently ban these coaches, the North Dakota Education Association would sue, which is probably what the HSAA is scared of in the first place. After all, in North Dakota, teachers can do no wrong, and can't be punished even when they do, because th NDEA is a more powerful union than any other. Teachers and coaches will forever be protected by this rogue organization. Too bad, too, since so many of them think they are so unbelievably important.
luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:do you really have to be such a jerk? please offer an opinion on the subject not on fbinnd personally; langdon recruited, it was admitted by them and the girls, now they got off with a slap on the wrist and wink. anyone who doesn't believe they'll do it again is loco......they'll just do a better job of hiding it next time.
fbinnd wrote:Awesome! So our schools can feel free to do anything they want, as long as they only do it once. Or who knows, maybe it's once in 5 years and then you can do it again.
There was no lesson here at all, except for a few thousand bucks the coaches will lose, which will probably be funneled to them by the "fill-ins" that will be meeting with them nightly to see what the gameplan should be. I wonder who from Langdon will be policing the gym on practice days to make sure the coaches aren't there "watching".
This is pathetic.
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