fbinnd wrote:Awesome! So our schools can feel free to do anything they want, as long as they only do it once. Or who knows, maybe it's once in 5 years and then you can do it again.
There was no lesson here at all, except for a few thousand bucks the coaches will lose, which will probably be funneled to them by the "fill-ins" that will be meeting with them nightly to see what the gameplan should be. I wonder who from Langdon will be policing the gym on practice days to make sure the coaches aren't there "watching".
This is pathetic.
cdub1 wrote:fbinnd wrote:Awesome! So our schools can feel free to do anything they want, as long as they only do it once. Or who knows, maybe it's once in 5 years and then you can do it again.
There was no lesson here at all, except for a few thousand bucks the coaches will lose, which will probably be funneled to them by the "fill-ins" that will be meeting with them nightly to see what the gameplan should be. I wonder who from Langdon will be policing the gym on practice days to make sure the coaches aren't there "watching".
This is pathetic.
here is what it looks like to me
they showed all the schools what would happen if you get caught recruiting by langdon's original punishment so the other teams know what will happen
langdon got off because it was the first team caught but i don't think any other teams will get the benefit of "we didn't know it was recruiting" like langdon did
luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:cdub1 wrote:fbinnd wrote:Awesome! So our schools can feel free to do anything they want, as long as they only do it once. Or who knows, maybe it's once in 5 years and then you can do it again.
There was no lesson here at all, except for a few thousand bucks the coaches will lose, which will probably be funneled to them by the "fill-ins" that will be meeting with them nightly to see what the gameplan should be. I wonder who from Langdon will be policing the gym on practice days to make sure the coaches aren't there "watching".
This is pathetic.
here is what it looks like to me
they showed all the schools what would happen if you get caught recruiting by langdon's original punishment so the other teams know what will happen
langdon got off because it was the first team caught but i don't think any other teams will get the benefit of "we didn't know it was recruiting" like langdon did
sorry but i just don't agree.....what punishment? you've set a precedent by allowing this.......there's no way you can punish anyone else, you let langdon off the hook....you'll have to do the same with everyone else.....coach gone for one season, aug 13 to nov 18, big whoop. he'll be back next year with what lesson learned? to hide it better? if the coaches were reasonable and responsible, there's no excuse. this is his profession, to not know the rules, puleeze.
and for those who love to compare high school sports to college sports, if there's violations in college, the program is punished, which includes the athletes as well as the coaches
i know coach olson apologized to the coaches association at their meeting but he has to know that most folks are going to be really skeptical (sp?) about that.....he might mean it or he's just doing damage control make himself look better.
luvmy3gbb1wr wrote:lots of posts on this site refer to college situations when arguing a high school point; but langdon bears some responsibility for the mess, they should have a punishment, nothing happened; probation, oh my gosh, how awful; the munich side of this got off completely free.....whoopee doo, the coop didn't get approved.......the ndhsaa showed no backbone, period.
fbinnd wrote:There is no "taking them back". Munich was not allowed to dissolve their co-op with Northstar. They're in. They were never out. Those girls will be allowed to play for Northstar. All they did was hang the bait out there. It's up to Langdon not to bite, and Olson bit and bit hard, to the tune of landing in a living room at a meeting.
Again, if the coaches had to endure some kind of real punishment, I could understand. But they don't. Their jobs are being held securly in the hands of the temps until next year. Langdon is eligible for the postseason. Come fall 2008, it will be like none of this ever happened. We'd like to thank the NDHSAA for sweeping yet another controversial item under the rug.
NDSportsFan wrote:My personnal opinion is that the NDHSAA did the right thing. I'd rather spend my time protesting real problems like the rural meth epidemic, or escalating health care costs for the elderly, or even Michael Vicks dogfighting allegations.
There comes a time to ignore those who won't let it rest.
Run With It wrote:NDSportsFan wrote:My personnal opinion is that the NDHSAA did the right thing. I'd rather spend my time protesting real problems like the rural meth epidemic, or escalating health care costs for the elderly, or even Michael Vicks dogfighting allegations.
There comes a time to ignore those who won't let it rest.
well u do have a point with other problems...
but we have no control over m. vick dogfighting issues...
or nothing we really say is gunna help with the health care costs for the elderly...
i just think, as another high school athlete, that team got let off WAY to easy...yes a team is a team, including the coach...because everyone was bragging about her coming and that team knew something had to be going on..it dont take a brain surgeon to get that....but its done and i guess no one else can change it
vballer5 wrote:i think the NDHSAA made the right decision...! Nobody really knows what happened and this shouldnt even be a hot topic...thats enough talking bout this! LANGDON IS BACK IN BUSINESS!!!;)
fbinnd wrote:Yeah, we're all happy that your team was able to try to cheat, get caught, and still get away with it. Good for you. We're all glad that the rules don't apply to Langdon. I really hope you win the state title this year, so we can all put it in the books with an asterisk *.
That asterisk will stand for, "Won while on probation from the NDHSAA for attempting to recruit players".
You will be the Barry Bonds of the North Dakota High School volleyball world. Anything you do this year will be scrutinized. Anything you win will be won under suspicion. And if you win the title, either region or state, it will always be under circumstances where people know you shouldn't have been there.
I would refrain from stating anything about Langdon being "back in business". Your school, your coaches, and your team have forever changed the face of high school sports, and in a negative way. Your wins will be very hollow, and the entire state will be rooting against you.
fbinnd wrote:The team is still on probation. This idea that Langdon is "back in business" is rediculous. They are being graciously allowed to participate under scrutiny of the member schools of the NDHSAA.
And the coaches having their jobs kept by some patsies for a year is no punishment at all. They will be back next year, and, like I've said before, in the fall of 2008, it will be like the whole event never happened. So, no, the coaches being removed for a year is not punishment.
I love how these Langdon players think they have been vindicated by the new ruling. They now think they can come in here and talk smack because the NDHSAA took pity on some waling and gnashing of teeth from Langdon? They should be about as humble as anyone has ever been. They should just sit back, play the game, and not draw any attention to themselves. Instead, they're in here touting how they got out of recruiting charges scott free.
Again, I really, really hope they win it all, so we can put the scarlet letter on the program for all eternity.
what did the Langdon players do?fbinnd wrote:The team is still on probation. This idea that Langdon is "back in business" is rediculous. They are being graciously allowed to participate under scrutiny of the member schools of the NDHSAA.
And the coaches having their jobs kept by some patsies for a year is no punishment at all. They will be back next year, and, like I've said before, in the fall of 2008, it will be like the whole event never happened. So, no, the coaches being removed for a year is not punishment.
I love how these Langdon players think they have been vindicated by the new ruling. They now think they can come in here and talk smack because the NDHSAA took pity on some waling and gnashing of teeth from Langdon? They should be about as humble as anyone has ever been. They should just sit back, play the game, and not draw any attention to themselves. Instead, they're in here touting how they got out of recruiting charges scott free.
Again, I really, really hope they win it all, so we can put the scarlet letter on the program for all eternity.
point/center wrote:what did the Langdon players do?fbinnd wrote:The team is still on probation. This idea that Langdon is "back in business" is rediculous. They are being graciously allowed to participate under scrutiny of the member schools of the NDHSAA.
And the coaches having their jobs kept by some patsies for a year is no punishment at all. They will be back next year, and, like I've said before, in the fall of 2008, it will be like the whole event never happened. So, no, the coaches being removed for a year is not punishment.
I love how these Langdon players think they have been vindicated by the new ruling. They now think they can come in here and talk smack because the NDHSAA took pity on some waling and gnashing of teeth from Langdon? They should be about as humble as anyone has ever been. They should just sit back, play the game, and not draw any attention to themselves. Instead, they're in here touting how they got out of recruiting charges scott free.
Again, I really, really hope they win it all, so we can put the scarlet letter on the program for all eternity.
so probation and having sit out a year is NOT punishment? Apply for a job with NDHSAA when it opens up, run for the Executive Board, get appointed....cause I don't think complaining on a message board will change the outcome.
i'll take what NDHSAA did in the end...works for me. coaches get punished. program is on probation...nobody winsMLCFB wrote:point/center wrote:what did the Langdon players do?fbinnd wrote:The team is still on probation. This idea that Langdon is "back in business" is rediculous. They are being graciously allowed to participate under scrutiny of the member schools of the NDHSAA.
And the coaches having their jobs kept by some patsies for a year is no punishment at all. They will be back next year, and, like I've said before, in the fall of 2008, it will be like the whole event never happened. So, no, the coaches being removed for a year is not punishment.
I love how these Langdon players think they have been vindicated by the new ruling. They now think they can come in here and talk smack because the NDHSAA took pity on some waling and gnashing of teeth from Langdon? They should be about as humble as anyone has ever been. They should just sit back, play the game, and not draw any attention to themselves. Instead, they're in here touting how they got out of recruiting charges scott free.
Again, I really, really hope they win it all, so we can put the scarlet letter on the program for all eternity.
so probation and having sit out a year is NOT punishment? Apply for a job with NDHSAA when it opens up, run for the Executive Board, get appointed....cause I don't think complaining on a message board will change the outcome.
I have quickly read this whole thread and am not sure if you, p/c, wrote an opinion or a solution on the punishment. So what, in your opinion, should have been the punishment?
IMOP, the program should have been punished like the NDHSAA had in the begining. Just like college programs get punished for illegal recruiting or boosters giving money.
I also agree the adults who commited the infraction are punished I bet they enjoy coaching and now they've been repremanded I mean recruiting is wrong any way you slice it but they didn't give players money or gifts so a year gone and probation for a 1st time offender is definetly fair and to say the ruined ND HS sports is ridiculious FBINND I think if anything it'll add more excitement just like how people root against trinity now the fans will root against langdon this upcoming year should be interestingpoint/center wrote:i'll take what NDHSAA did in the end...works for me. coaches get punished. program is on probation...nobody winsMLCFB wrote:point/center wrote:what did the Langdon players do?fbinnd wrote:The team is still on probation. This idea that Langdon is "back in business" is rediculous. They are being graciously allowed to participate under scrutiny of the member schools of the NDHSAA.
And the coaches having their jobs kept by some patsies for a year is no punishment at all. They will be back next year, and, like I've said before, in the fall of 2008, it will be like the whole event never happened. So, no, the coaches being removed for a year is not punishment.
I love how these Langdon players think they have been vindicated by the new ruling. They now think they can come in here and talk smack because the NDHSAA took pity on some waling and gnashing of teeth from Langdon? They should be about as humble as anyone has ever been. They should just sit back, play the game, and not draw any attention to themselves. Instead, they're in here touting how they got out of recruiting charges scott free.
Again, I really, really hope they win it all, so we can put the scarlet letter on the program for all eternity.
so probation and having sit out a year is NOT punishment? Apply for a job with NDHSAA when it opens up, run for the Executive Board, get appointed....cause I don't think complaining on a message board will change the outcome.
I have quickly read this whole thread and am not sure if you, p/c, wrote an opinion or a solution on the punishment. So what, in your opinion, should have been the punishment?
IMOP, the program should have been punished like the NDHSAA had in the begining. Just like college programs get punished for illegal recruiting or boosters giving money.
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