North Dakota Preps

Any Irish people on here that can whine to Notre Dame and maybe get that named changed? Let's make it the UND "Figthing Caucasians".

don't know if they (notre dame) have any requirements about 'purity' (for lack of a better term) of irish you have to be before they would take you seriously. i'm part irish, but probably not anymore than like 10 percent...proabably not more than 3 or 5 percent. just enough to get the red hair, the fair skin and the love of potatoes, jameson and guinness.

of course, if they gave me a lou holtz bobblehead or something i'd probably forget the whole thing.

Indians Alumni wrote:I think the NCAA will uphold the banning of the name.  It is pretty rediculous that the state of North Dakota gets involved.  Pretty Hick if you ask me.

It's "hick" that we like the nickname and would not like it changed? Well I think it's hick that other tribes are getting involved over the nickname when it has nothing to do with them.

[user=790]project-pat[/user] wrote:

Indians Alumni wrote:I think the NCAA will uphold the banning of the name.  It is pretty rediculous that the state of North Dakota gets involved.  Pretty Hick if you ask me.

It's "hick" that we like the nickname and would not like it changed? Well I think it's hick that other tribes are getting involved over the nickname when it has nothing to do with them.

What tribes do you speak of that are involved that don't have anything to do with it? I'm just curious.

Oh you must be talking about Standing Rock, oh wait, they are Dakota!  For your info, even though I owe you no explaination, I am speaking for myself and the tribe I belong to!

Baller wrote:We have debated for 2 pages about not liking the nickname....this topic was supposed to be about suggestions on what to change it to and I have not seen ONE serious answer.

Obviously you didn't read them ALL then.  Either that or you are very picky.  "Cavalry" would work just fine. 

And does anyone know why Spirit Lake has a company called Sioux Manufacturing if they are indeed Dakota or Lakota or some other name?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/saraceno/2007-02-20-saraceno-illini_x.htm

nice littel article wrote back in February

Stromer wrote:

Baller wrote:We have debated for 2 pages about not liking the nickname....this topic was supposed to be about suggestions on what to change it to and I have not seen ONE serious answer.

Obviously you didn't read them ALL then.  Either that or you are very picky.  "Cavalry" would work just fine. 

And does anyone know why Spirit Lake has a company called Sioux Manufacturing if they are indeed Dakota or Lakota or some other name?

I sense your little ploy of sarcasm, so I will amuse myself a alittle and tell you, that this is a business on the reservation that employes mostly Native American people.  This was a name decided on back in the 80's, back then it was mostly run buy non-natives.  So the name was created from that era.

http://www.nativevillage.org/Messages%20from%20the%20People/timeline%20for%20Indian%20Mascots.htm

This is a nice timeline, notice that this fight against UND was started in 1972.  So this is no new thing. 

Indians Alumni wrote:

Stromer wrote:

Baller wrote:We have debated for 2 pages about not liking the nickname....this topic was supposed to be about suggestions on what to change it to and I have not seen ONE serious answer.

Obviously you didn't read them ALL then.  Either that or you are very picky.  "Cavalry" would work just fine. 

And does anyone know why Spirit Lake has a company called Sioux Manufacturing if they are indeed Dakota or Lakota or some other name?

I sense your little ploy of sarcasm, so I will amuse myself a alittle and tell you, that this is a business on the reservation that employes mostly Native American people.  This was a name decided on back in the 80's, back then it was mostly run buy non-natives.  So the name was created from that era.

Actually SMC was started in 1977.  IA your mom has worked there since day 1, come on!

Indians Alumni wrote:http://www.nativevillage.org/Messages%20from%20the%20People/timeline%20for%20Indian%20Mascots.htm

This is a nice timeline, notice that this fight against UND was started in 1972.  So this is no new thing. 

This doesn't correspond with your answer in regard to Sioux Manufacturing.

I know, it was Brunswick before then, so learn your history before you try to correct mine!

Wild Wolves wrote:

Indians Alumni wrote:http://www.nativevillage.org/Messages%20from%20the%20People/timeline%20for%20Indian%20Mascots.htm

This is a nice timeline, notice that this fight against UND was started in 1972.  So this is no new thing. 

This doesn't correspond with your answer in regard to Sioux Manufacturing.

well if you read closely, in the not so finely printed underneath that website, I said it was a timeline.  This fight has not just started.  It has been going on 35 years now!

Indians Alumni wrote:

Roughrider wrote:

Indians Alumni wrote:

north_border_eagles2106 wrote:

nativegolfer wrote:I got the perfect nickname that would be very fitting and appropriate:  The UND Fighting Englestads!  Is there anything more perfect?

Yeah there is something more perfect:  FIGHTING SIOUX!!!

NBE, you're out of order!!!

how do you figure he is out of order, he is just stating the obvious. the truth is there isnt any nickname that anybody can think of that would be better than FIGHTING SIOUX.-

Ok, you tell me why it is so much better?  I mean you tell me how you justify the use!  Because it has been used for so many years?  Well not good enough. 

The Obvious would be to change it!  People, including myself, are offended!  :buttkick:

I am offended by your animated smiley faces.  Does not mean that they should be dropped.

COACHWEST wrote:

Indians Alumni wrote:

Roughrider wrote:

Indians Alumni wrote:

north_border_eagles2106 wrote:

nativegolfer wrote:I got the perfect nickname that would be very fitting and appropriate:  The UND Fighting Englestads!  Is there anything more perfect?

Yeah there is something more perfect:  FIGHTING SIOUX!!!

NBE, you're out of order!!!

how do you figure he is out of order, he is just stating the obvious. the truth is there isnt any nickname that anybody can think of that would be better than FIGHTING SIOUX.-

Ok, you tell me why it is so much better?  I mean you tell me how you justify the use!  Because it has been used for so many years?  Well not good enough. 

The Obvious would be to change it!  People, including myself, are offended!  :buttkick:

I am offended by your animated smiley faces.  Does not mean that they should be dropped.

I am offended at the fact you are ignorant and throw out random crap like that!  So will you go away?

I still think it should be the UND "Figthing Caucasians". If you Natives don't want a school named after you then I don't think any of the whites will mind. Nothing offensive about "Figthing Caucasians" just like there isn't anything offensive about "Fighting Sioux".

Like I said before. The term "Fighting Sioux" is not a term used to insult Natives therefore it shouldn't be insulting.

baller01 wrote:I still think it should be the UND "Figthing Caucasians". If you Natives don't want a school named after you then I don't think any of the whites will mind. Nothing offensive about "Figthing Caucasians" just like there isn't anything offensive about "Fighting Sioux".

Like I said before. The term "Fighting Sioux" is not a term used to insult Natives therefore it shouldn't be insulting.

very well said man, i applaud you for saying that. its exactly what i have been thinking.

Roughrider wrote:

baller01 wrote:I still think it should be the UND "Figthing Caucasians". If you Natives don't want a school named after you then I don't think any of the whites will mind. Nothing offensive about "Figthing Caucasians" just like there isn't anything offensive about "Fighting Sioux".

Like I said before. The term "Fighting Sioux" is not a term used to insult Natives therefore it shouldn't be insulting.

very well said man, i applaud you for saying that. its exactly what i have been thinking.

here is the problem with it though you might not mean to insult someone but you still are and when it is that many people that are insulted it should be changed is a name really worth und being hated by tribes of natives

Indians Alumni wrote:

Wild Wolves wrote:

Indians Alumni wrote:http://www.nativevillage.org/Messages%20from%20the%20People/timeline%20for%20Indian%20Mascots.htm

This is a nice timeline, notice that this fight against UND was started in 1972.  So this is no new thing. 

This doesn't correspond with your answer in regard to Sioux Manufacturing.

well if you read closely, in the not so finely printed underneath that website, I said it was a timeline.  This fight has not just started.  It has been going on 35 years now!

You stated that the fight against UND has been going on since 72, then you stated that Sioux manufacturing was started in 77.  that to me would indicate that the name was taken after the arguement about the "Fight sioux" had started. 

Roughrider wrote:

baller01 wrote:I still think it should be the UND "Figthing Caucasians". If you Natives don't want a school named after you then I don't think any of the whites will mind. Nothing offensive about "Figthing Caucasians" just like there isn't anything offensive about "Fighting Sioux".

Like I said before. The term "Fighting Sioux" is not a term used to insult Natives therefore it shouldn't be insulting.

very well said man, i applaud you for saying that. its exactly what i have been thinking.

Well then take your idea to Kupchella or the State Board of Ed.  I'll support it.  You'll probably need to outbid the Englestad's though.  I'm serious you should.  Since most of the student body is caucasion it just makes sense.

Well I'm offended by how some white people are portrayed in movies...always being so nerdy and uncoordinated and being called "white boy"...I WANT THOSE TAKEN OUT OF MOVIES!!! I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS

[user=790]project-pat[/user] wrote:

Well I'm offended by how some white people are portrayed in movies...always being so nerdy and uncoordinated and being called "white boy"...I WANT THOSE TAKEN OUT OF MOVIES!!! I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS

why?

ndfan wrote:[user=790]project-pat[/user] wrote:

Well I'm offended by how some white people are portrayed in movies...always being so nerdy and uncoordinated and being called "white boy"...I WANT THOSE TAKEN OUT OF MOVIES!!! I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS

why?

I find it disrespectul and stereotypical.....BUT....nothing is going to be changed about it, so i'm going to live with it, which is what you people should do about the fighting sioux.

project-pat wrote:

ndfan wrote:[user=790]project-pat[/user] wrote:

Well I'm offended by how some white people are portrayed in movies...always being so nerdy and uncoordinated and being called "white boy"...I WANT THOSE TAKEN OUT OF MOVIES!!! I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS

why?

I find it disrespectul and stereotypical.....BUT....nothing is going to be changed about it, so i'm going to live with it, which is what you people should do about the fighting sioux.

im wondering about this is it possible to make them change it because they have freedom of speech?

cdub1 wrote:

project-pat wrote:

ndfan wrote:[user=790]project-pat[/user] wrote:

Well I'm offended by how some white people are portrayed in movies...always being so nerdy and uncoordinated and being called "white boy"...I WANT THOSE TAKEN OUT OF MOVIES!!! I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS

why?

I find it disrespectul and stereotypical.....BUT....nothing is going to be changed about it, so i'm going to live with it, which is what you people should do about the fighting sioux.

im wondering about this is it possible to make them change it because they have freedom of speech?

well they should have the freedom to choose whatever nickname they want...THEY ARE NOT DOING IT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL, THEY ARE HONORING NATIVE AMERICANS