TDown wrote:I would like to know what some of the North Dakotans opinion on this is. . .
Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:he should have stayed in Cleveland and been loyal to the cavilers. all the best players stayed with "their" team most of their career. (michael jordan, larry bird, kareem abdul jabar, kobe, and magic johnson are some examples) He will still be one of the best players to ball, but he kind of took an easy way out by going to a much better team instead of winning with what he's got.
classB4ever wrote: I think the owner is right and James is a disgrace to the Cleveland community.
Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:he should have stayed in Cleveland and been loyal to the cavilers. all the best players stayed with "their" team most of their career. (michael jordan, larry bird, kareem abdul jabar, kobe, and magic johnson are some examples) He will still be one of the best players to ball, but he kind of took an easy way out by going to a much better team instead of winning with what he's got.
baseball wrote:Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:he should have stayed in Cleveland and been loyal to the cavilers. all the best players stayed with "their" team most of their career. (michael jordan, larry bird, kareem abdul jabar, kobe, and magic johnson are some examples) He will still be one of the best players to ball, but he kind of took an easy way out by going to a much better team instead of winning with what he's got.
Why would they leave? Jordan had Pippen. Bird had McHale and Parish. Magic had Kareem and vise versa. Kobe had Shaq, and when he didn't he demanded trades, then got Gasol and happy again all of a sudden. It's easy to praise people for staying put when they have LEGIT stars around them, but it's even easier to blame a guy for leaving when the best players he ever had next to him were Larry Hughes and Mo Williams...
Indy5 wrote:baseball wrote:Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:he should have stayed in Cleveland and been loyal to the cavilers. all the best players stayed with "their" team most of their career. (michael jordan, larry bird, kareem abdul jabar, kobe, and magic johnson are some examples) He will still be one of the best players to ball, but he kind of took an easy way out by going to a much better team instead of winning with what he's got.
Why would they leave? Jordan had Pippen. Bird had McHale and Parish. Magic had Kareem and vise versa. Kobe had Shaq, and when he didn't he demanded trades, then got Gasol and happy again all of a sudden. It's easy to praise people for staying put when they have LEGIT stars around them, but it's even easier to blame a guy for leaving when the best players he ever had next to him were Larry Hughes and Mo Williams...
Hahaha oh Mo Williams, the most hated on decent player. He was actually pretty good sometimes, but yet everyone ripped him. It was always, "Whose LeBron got? Mo Williams? Are you kidding me?" Which I guess is still pretty fair if Mo is your second best player, but the guy isn't as bad as we make him out to be.
The Schwab wrote:Indy5 wrote:baseball wrote:Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:he should have stayed in Cleveland and been loyal to the cavilers. all the best players stayed with "their" team most of their career. (michael jordan, larry bird, kareem abdul jabar, kobe, and magic johnson are some examples) He will still be one of the best players to ball, but he kind of took an easy way out by going to a much better team instead of winning with what he's got.
Why would they leave? Jordan had Pippen. Bird had McHale and Parish. Magic had Kareem and vise versa. Kobe had Shaq, and when he didn't he demanded trades, then got Gasol and happy again all of a sudden. It's easy to praise people for staying put when they have LEGIT stars around them, but it's even easier to blame a guy for leaving when the best players he ever had next to him were Larry Hughes and Mo Williams...
Hahaha oh Mo Williams, the most hated on decent player. He was actually pretty good sometimes, but yet everyone ripped him. It was always, "Whose LeBron got? Mo Williams? Are you kidding me?" Which I guess is still pretty fair if Mo is your second best player, but the guy isn't as bad as we make him out to be.
He was a fairly decent regular season player (mo williams) and in the playoffs he was brutal. Larry Hughes is a head case. I am so happy for LeBron, I'm not going to be one of those "new found heat fans" but I'm glad he finally gets to play with good players.
baseball wrote:Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:he should have stayed in Cleveland and been loyal to the cavilers. all the best players stayed with "their" team most of their career. (michael jordan, larry bird, kareem abdul jabar, kobe, and magic johnson are some examples) He will still be one of the best players to ball, but he kind of took an easy way out by going to a much better team instead of winning with what he's got.
Why would they leave? Jordan had Pippen. Bird had McHale and Parish. Magic had Kareem and vise versa. Kobe had Shaq, and when he didn't he demanded trades, then got Gasol and happy again all of a sudden. It's easy to praise people for staying put when they have LEGIT stars around them, but it's even easier to blame a guy for leaving when the best players he ever had next to him were Larry Hughes and Mo Williams...
Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:baseball wrote:Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:he should have stayed in Cleveland and been loyal to the cavilers. all the best players stayed with "their" team most of their career. (michael jordan, larry bird, kareem abdul jabar, kobe, and magic johnson are some examples) He will still be one of the best players to ball, but he kind of took an easy way out by going to a much better team instead of winning with what he's got.
Why would they leave? Jordan had Pippen. Bird had McHale and Parish. Magic had Kareem and vise versa. Kobe had Shaq, and when he didn't he demanded trades, then got Gasol and happy again all of a sudden. It's easy to praise people for staying put when they have LEGIT stars around them, but it's even easier to blame a guy for leaving when the best players he ever had next to him were Larry Hughes and Mo Williams...
Pippen was good, but jordan made him an allstar. Was kobe traded??? no. Lebron quite... so if your highschool basketball team cant win, do you just go to the better bball school 20 miles down the road?? I would hope not, thats selfish.
balla45 wrote:You can not really compare this to high school basketball. High school players are not paid, can not be traded, can not play for 20 years, do not get European players on the regular, etc.
It is not selfish to leave a bad team and go to a better team. It is a good career move. Why would LeBron stay in a place where he has no help and play for an owner who obviously hates him and will not bring him help because he does not want to pay the luxury tax, when he can go to a place with two other established superstars? It would not be intelligent to stay in Cleveland. He received no help in 7 years, it would then be logical for him to assume that he will receive no help ever.
LeBron is a smart man.
baseball wrote:classB4ever wrote: I think the owner is right and James is a disgrace to the Cleveland community.
How? Because he wore a Yankees hat to an Indians game? Because he wore a Cowboy hat to a Browns game? Because he signed with Miami? I didnt know that since he lived in Cleveland he had to be a fan of the Indians and Browns. It's very well documented that LeBron is a huge Yankees fan, so why wouldn't he wear Yankee gear? It would be like Jack Nicholson moving to Dallas and wearing a Dirk jersey when the Lakers come to town.
I've gone to Kansas vs. Colorado games in Boulder to support Dufault, I wore Kansas gear. He had no problem with it because he knew I'm a huge Kansas guy, but still wanted to see him have success. That's something that the citizens of Cleveland never understood about LeBron. Loyalties dont change just by moving towns. If you see LeBron wearing a Marlins hat around Miami, then you can wonder, but i doubt that will happen.
I have never seen/heard LeBron say he was from Cleveland...always Akron. He was drafted by Cleveland, he had no say in that. He supported is favorite teams when they came to town. What an absolute horrible human being, just disgraceful...He had no right to be himself while he Cleveland. He should have put on an act and portrayed himself as a completely different person.
He owes Cleveland nothing.
classB4ever wrote:
Not sure what the first 3 paragraphs are about. I personally could care less whether or not he wore LA Laker paraphernalia during the regular season of the NBA. Just as long as he came to do his job. And Lebron did. My problem is he says he's the King. Then why doesn't he bring better players to Cleveland? Why wasn't he willing to take a pay cut in Cleveland to bring better players there? He is doing it now. I am sure that the owner of Cleveland would have loved to bring more talent there. During Jordan's reign, he was the 9th - 24th (depending on the year) highest paid player in the NBA. There was a reason they could surround him with more talent. KG was no better. I don't expect anybody to agree with me on this, and don't care. It is about loyalty. It's been gone in pro sports for many years. Doesn't mean we all have to agree with it. When KG went to Boston it was because Minny couldn't surround him with talent. They tried, but only so much they could do. When you are getting 120 million over 6 years, it's not that easy to find quality players to work into the system (and the Joe Smith debacle didn't help). Why didn't KG take a pay cut if a ring was so important? You can all call it smart, savvy, whatever. I call it selfish. That's the beauty of us all being able to have our own opinion. You know who the smart one is? It's not Lebron. It's D-Wade. He's the one that pulled it all off and is sitting at home smiling right now.
Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:Most of the old loyal players like Jordan, bird, ect. would take the challenge of staying in Cleveland and want to face good talent like Wade and Bosch... not join them. IMO
Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:Most of the old loyal players like Jordan, bird, ect. would take the challenge of staying in Cleveland and want to face good talent like Wade and Bosch... not join them. IMO
classB4ever wrote:baseball wrote:classB4ever wrote: I think the owner is right and James is a disgrace to the Cleveland community.
How? Because he wore a Yankees hat to an Indians game? Because he wore a Cowboy hat to a Browns game? Because he signed with Miami? I didnt know that since he lived in Cleveland he had to be a fan of the Indians and Browns. It's very well documented that LeBron is a huge Yankees fan, so why wouldn't he wear Yankee gear? It would be like Jack Nicholson moving to Dallas and wearing a Dirk jersey when the Lakers come to town.
I've gone to Kansas vs. Colorado games in Boulder to support Dufault, I wore Kansas gear. He had no problem with it because he knew I'm a huge Kansas guy, but still wanted to see him have success. That's something that the citizens of Cleveland never understood about LeBron. Loyalties dont change just by moving towns. If you see LeBron wearing a Marlins hat around Miami, then you can wonder, but i doubt that will happen.
I have never seen/heard LeBron say he was from Cleveland...always Akron. He was drafted by Cleveland, he had no say in that. He supported is favorite teams when they came to town. What an absolute horrible human being, just disgraceful...He had no right to be himself while he Cleveland. He should have put on an act and portrayed himself as a completely different person.
He owes Cleveland nothing.
Not sure what the first 3 paragraphs are about. I personally could care less whether or not he wore LA Laker paraphernalia during the regular season of the NBA. Just as long as he came to do his job. And Lebron did. My problem is he says he's the King. Then why doesn't he bring better players to Cleveland? Why wasn't he willing to take a pay cut in Cleveland to bring better players there? He is doing it now. I am sure that the owner of Cleveland would have loved to bring more talent there. During Jordan's reign, he was the 9th - 24th (depending on the year) highest paid player in the NBA. There was a reason they could surround him with more talent. KG was no better. I don't expect anybody to agree with me on this, and don't care. It is about loyalty. It's been gone in pro sports for many years. Doesn't mean we all have to agree with it. When KG went to Boston it was because Minny couldn't surround him with talent. They tried, but only so much they could do. When you are getting 120 million over 6 years, it's not that easy to find quality players to work into the system (and the Joe Smith debacle didn't help). Why didn't KG take a pay cut if a ring was so important? You can all call it smart, savvy, whatever. I call it selfish. That's the beauty of us all being able to have our own opinion. You know who the smart one is? It's not Lebron. It's D-Wade. He's the one that pulled it all off and is sitting at home smiling right now.
Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:Lebron Quit
Rey Finkle(lacesout) wrote:Lebron Quit
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