north_border_eagles2106 wrote:baseball wrote:brace yourself Hansbrough fans.....compared to Mark Madsen by an NBA draft expert. must be because he's white and only attribute is that he hustles.
"Tyler Hansbrough, PF, North Carolina
For the first time since his freshman season, Hansbrough is no longer in our top 30. He hasn't been able to bounce back from an early injury and his rebounding numbers are the worst of his college career. Said one NBA executive, "What can I do with an undersized power forward who isn't athletic and doesn't rebound?"
That feeling is shared by many NBA executives who feel Hansbrough will have, at best, a Mark Madsen-type impact in the league. It's still not out of the question that he goes late in the first round, but all of the talk about him being a late-lottery to mid-first-round pick is over."
NBA executive is asking the same question I have on here a few times.
Yeah Baseball cause we know everytime an "nba expert" says something they are 100% correct. They were the same people talking up guys like Shawn Bradley, Andrew Bogut, and Darko Milicic. If you want to read about what I think about this subject read this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1465 ... ark-madsen
Just because you are a UNC hater doesn't mean you have to sacrifice the small amount of intelligence you MIGHT have had just to "get a rise" out of us UNC fans like Bballfan1307 and myself.
baseball wrote:accept the truth that his career will be closely relicated to MArk Madsen more then anyone else. it's not a knock on the guy, Madsen has been pretty successful. I find it ironic though how a guy with his work ethic doesnt have any post moves other then turn the left shoulder and shoot a shot put shot, probably draw a foul, and then shoot free throws.
Then again its me and Greg Anthony against the world by believing UAB will be in the tourney.
baseball wrote:doesnt play because the coach doesnt like him....haha thats classic. i could tell you why van gundy doesnt like him....its because Shaq could take him off the dribble. guy was a one-hit wonder in college, why would that change in the NBA?
I wouldnt say I'm narrow-minded as much as realistic, although i will give you credit on your optimism. Hansbrough doesnt even have a post move. NBA 4's will eat him up. he's not going to get bailed out and go to the line 8-10 times a game...hes going to have to learn fundamentals to see the floor in the league. If ever during his NBA career he averages more then 9 ppg i will come back and admit I'm wrong. If Madsen is such a bad comparison...who is he? Dirk Nowitzki? LaMarcus aldrige? Chris Kaman? Mikki Moore?
baseball wrote:Maybe 90% ofthe board disagrees with me, but 90% of the country agrees with me that Hansbrough gets too much credit for UNC's success. I have never once came on and "repeated" what i've heard on ESPN, although I have said things that eventually were said on there because its stuff thats not that hard to understand.
I'm not going to say i know everything there is to know about college basketball, but i will say....even if you disagree...im not clueless about the game. I got ripped for saying I would like to see Syracuse play UNC because at that time I liked the way they were playing and felt they could beat them if not give them a run. 2 weeks later they were in the top 10 after not being ranked when i made the statement. Do you just look at UAB's record and see C-USA and automatically write them off as terrible? 9 losses sure....2 to Memphis, Oklahoma, Louisville, and Butler and a win at Arizona. Look at the record all you want but never count out Robert Vaden and a Mike Davis coached team. Just like now, Mike Anderson is getting named a great coach at MIssouri for the style of play that brigns success...he did the same thing at UAB and got no credit.
Let me ask you a serious question, would you put Hansbrough as a first team AA?? I must be a terrible hater since I wouldnt...are you goign to put him above Griffin, Blair, Thabeet, Harangody? I'm not taking anything away from your opinion, i dont konw why you think just because i disagree means i tihnk you cant give your opinion?? people i respect the most are people who are so passionate about their opinions and stick by them no matter how many people disagree with them...and ill give you credit for doing that.
baseball wrote:Maybe 90% ofthe board disagrees with me, but 90% of the country agrees with me that Hansbrough gets too much credit for UNC's success. I have never once came on and "repeated" what i've heard on ESPN, although I have said things that eventually were said on there because its stuff thats not that hard to understand.
I'm not going to say i know everything there is to know about college basketball, but i will say....even if you disagree...im not clueless about the game. I got ripped for saying I would like to see Syracuse play UNC because at that time I liked the way they were playing and felt they could beat them if not give them a run. 2 weeks later they were in the top 10 after not being ranked when i made the statement. Do you just look at UAB's record and see C-USA and automatically write them off as terrible? 9 losses sure....2 to Memphis, Oklahoma, Louisville, and Butler and a win at Arizona. Look at the record all you want but never count out Robert Vaden and a Mike Davis coached team. Just like now, Mike Anderson is getting named a great coach at MIssouri for the style of play that brigns success...he did the same thing at UAB and got no credit.
Let me ask you a serious question, would you put Hansbrough as a first team AA?? I must be a terrible hater since I wouldnt...are you goign to put him above Griffin, Blair, Thabeet, Harangody? I'm not taking anything away from your opinion, i dont konw why you think just because i disagree means i tihnk you cant give your opinion?? people i respect the most are people who are so passionate about their opinions and stick by them no matter how many people disagree with them...and ill give you credit for doing that.
baseball wrote:Maybe 90% ofthe board disagrees with me, but 90% of the country agrees with me that Hansbrough gets too much credit for UNC's success. I have never once came on and "repeated" what i've heard on ESPN, although I have said things that eventually were said on there because its stuff thats not that hard to understand.
I'm not going to say i know everything there is to know about college basketball, but i will say....even if you disagree...im not clueless about the game. I got ripped for saying I would like to see Syracuse play UNC because at that time I liked the way they were playing and felt they could beat them if not give them a run. 2 weeks later they were in the top 10 after not being ranked when i made the statement. Do you just look at UAB's record and see C-USA and automatically write them off as terrible? 9 losses sure....2 to Memphis, Oklahoma, Louisville, and Butler and a win at Arizona. Look at the record all you want but never count out Robert Vaden and a Mike Davis coached team. Just like now, Mike Anderson is getting named a great coach at MIssouri for the style of play that brigns success...he did the same thing at UAB and got no credit.
Let me ask you a serious question, would you put Hansbrough as a first team AA?? I must be a terrible hater since I wouldnt...are you goign to put him above Griffin, Blair, Thabeet, Harangody? I'm not taking anything away from your opinion, i dont konw why you think just because i disagree means i tihnk you cant give your opinion?? people i respect the most are people who are so passionate about their opinions and stick by them no matter how many people disagree with them...and ill give you credit for doing that.
north_border_eagles2106 wrote:baseball wrote:Maybe 90% ofthe board disagrees with me, but 90% of the country agrees with me that Hansbrough gets too much credit for UNC's success. I have never once came on and "repeated" what i've heard on ESPN, although I have said things that eventually were said on there because its stuff thats not that hard to understand.
I'm not going to say i know everything there is to know about college basketball, but i will say....even if you disagree...im not clueless about the game. I got ripped for saying I would like to see Syracuse play UNC because at that time I liked the way they were playing and felt they could beat them if not give them a run. 2 weeks later they were in the top 10 after not being ranked when i made the statement. Do you just look at UAB's record and see C-USA and automatically write them off as terrible? 9 losses sure....2 to Memphis, Oklahoma, Louisville, and Butler and a win at Arizona. Look at the record all you want but never count out Robert Vaden and a Mike Davis coached team. Just like now, Mike Anderson is getting named a great coach at MIssouri for the style of play that brigns success...he did the same thing at UAB and got no credit.
Let me ask you a serious question, would you put Hansbrough as a first team AA?? I must be a terrible hater since I wouldnt...are you goign to put him above Griffin, Blair, Thabeet, Harangody? I'm not taking anything away from your opinion, i dont konw why you think just because i disagree means i tihnk you cant give your opinion?? people i respect the most are people who are so passionate about their opinions and stick by them no matter how many people disagree with them...and ill give you credit for doing that.
22 points and 8 boards a game for a team thats 25-3 that hasn't lost a game by more then 10 is AA material. Hansbrough doesn't need to make a case to make the AA team, those other players need to make a case to be argued against him. The two big men of the AA team are Hansbrough and Griffin. Harangody has better numbers but Notre Dame is garbage and they got owned by Hansbrough and UNC. I do think Hansbrough is better than those guys. This is starting to sound like last year when people said Beasley should've won cause his numbers were better and he'll be a better pro. How good the team is comes into affect when selecting all-americans and player of the year candidates. The way you word your posts you come off as you're smarter then everyone and since you are a stat junkie we have to bow down to you. That's why most posts that people quote you and then you quote them back are so hostile because of the way you word things and you're very, very, controversial opinion about EVERYTHING.
balla45 wrote:north_border_eagles2106 wrote:baseball wrote:Maybe 90% ofthe board disagrees with me, but 90% of the country agrees with me that Hansbrough gets too much credit for UNC's success. I have never once came on and "repeated" what i've heard on ESPN, although I have said things that eventually were said on there because its stuff thats not that hard to understand.
I'm not going to say i know everything there is to know about college basketball, but i will say....even if you disagree...im not clueless about the game. I got ripped for saying I would like to see Syracuse play UNC because at that time I liked the way they were playing and felt they could beat them if not give them a run. 2 weeks later they were in the top 10 after not being ranked when i made the statement. Do you just look at UAB's record and see C-USA and automatically write them off as terrible? 9 losses sure....2 to Memphis, Oklahoma, Louisville, and Butler and a win at Arizona. Look at the record all you want but never count out Robert Vaden and a Mike Davis coached team. Just like now, Mike Anderson is getting named a great coach at MIssouri for the style of play that brigns success...he did the same thing at UAB and got no credit.
Let me ask you a serious question, would you put Hansbrough as a first team AA?? I must be a terrible hater since I wouldnt...are you goign to put him above Griffin, Blair, Thabeet, Harangody? I'm not taking anything away from your opinion, i dont konw why you think just because i disagree means i tihnk you cant give your opinion?? people i respect the most are people who are so passionate about their opinions and stick by them no matter how many people disagree with them...and ill give you credit for doing that.
22 points and 8 boards a game for a team thats 25-3 that hasn't lost a game by more then 10 is AA material. Hansbrough doesn't need to make a case to make the AA team, those other players need to make a case to be argued against him. The two big men of the AA team are Hansbrough and Griffin. Harangody has better numbers but Notre Dame is garbage and they got owned by Hansbrough and UNC. I do think Hansbrough is better than those guys. This is starting to sound like last year when people said Beasley should've won cause his numbers were better and he'll be a better pro. How good the team is comes into affect when selecting all-americans and player of the year candidates. The way you word your posts you come off as you're smarter then everyone and since you are a stat junkie we have to bow down to you. That's why most posts that people quote you and then you quote them back are so hostile because of the way you word things and you're very, very, controversial opinion about EVERYTHING.
Baseball isn't pretentious. He doesn't intend to sound smarter than people, and his posts do not come across that way. He is firm in his opinions. That is how any good debater is.
I will give Hansbrough credit. He produces. However, you just said Hansbrough is better than Blake Griffin. That statement alone discredits 90% of the things you have said in this topic.
Beasley SHOULD have won last year, he was the best, most dominant player, in college basketball. Hansbrough is a people person, built up by the media. It is ridiculous that he gets credit for working so hard. EVERYONE WORKS HARD. I will give him credit for his 22 and 8, because those are FACTS that can't be taken away.
How good a player's team is should not affect All-American teams. If the best player in the country plays for an 11-11 team, he SHOULD be the National Player Of The Year. Hanbrough has never been the BEST player in the country. I can argue that he isn't top 5, but the consensus is that he is top 5. He has never been the best player in college. That is why he should have never been NPOTY. My problem with team success is simply this: If Mike Beasley played for UNC, should he have been NPOTY?
Realistically, Hansbrough is overblown by the media. Not coaches or scouts, but the media. People on this website act as if they know him and his personality. I will not forget the people that said he deserves it because he isn't cocky and Beasley is. We don't know these people.
baseball wrote:I wont argue that if Griffin played that it wouldve been a different game, but what makes you say OU wins by 10+? Had Griffin played, they would have the offense go through him, he didnt so they had to play through Warren on the perimeter. They hit a 6 minute stretch where they were hitting 3 after 3. If Griffin played they wouldnt have taken that many 3s let alone make that many.
Griffin doesnt play as hard as Hansbrough, for that I woudl just like to say go watch the highlights from the OU-TTU game. dude got cleared the play less then 24 hours before the game after suffering a concussion and he's diving over tables for loose balls.
My arguement for Redick winning the POY was that how can a guy whos only good at 1 thing get the award? All he does is run off screen after screen until he gets and inch of space then shoots. You could say that Curry but Curry gets 6 assists a game, rebounds, and plays defense.
why doesnt Hansbrough have to make a case for AA?? just because he's been there before and the reigning POY he gets an automatic bid like a conference championship?? Sure Harangody is on a team thats not very good, but think of the numbers he would put up if he didnt play with a guy who thinks he should shoot whenever he touches the ball. He already averages like 23 points, and thats with McAlarney taking contested fade aways and fall aways and 30 footers that arent all such great shots.
BballFan1307 wrote:First of all, yes Hansbrough should be on over Blair, He averages 15 and 12 i think , last time i looked. the only reason he has been talked about at all is because he played well against uconn when thabeet was out with foul trouble. Second balla45, how can you not see, by watching Hansbrough in a game, that he works the hardest out of any player on the court. Griffin is the better player , Yes. i agree with that. However, their hustle and hard work are not equal. Hansbrough has him by tons. If you watch a game you can see Griffin jog down court behind the traffic. IT's really quite obvious. Again, i'm not saying Hansbrough is better than griffin, but to say their hustle and hardwork are equal is false.
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