COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby The Schwab » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:03 pm

I'll try to answer your reply in order, not going to quote as it takes up too much space.

1. I will agree with you that manufacturing jobs are increasing, I disagree that this will bring back small town, main street America. I would absolutely love to be wrong on this, I would love to see small town business alive and well.

2. I absolutely agree that amazon and walmart experienced huge gains (which I hate seeing, because it kills more small town businesses), but they weren't the only areas that grew. Outdoor gear providers (biking, hiking, golf etc... experienced great gains), the collectible industries (small vintage toy stores, record stores etc...) experienced growth. I would assume that flower shops and outdoor landscape companies also experienced great gains.

3. Do I think it's as deadly as first claimed? Absolutely not. I don't like people saying that only people with pre-existing conditions as the only ones who suffer. Do people realize all that is entailed in the pre-existing conditions. Do you think that being overweight, auto immune disease, diabetes, asthma, high blood pressure etc... should be a death sentence. I know I don't

4. Wearing a mask doesn't protect you (unless you're wearing a respirator such as an N-95). It helps protect other people. I know that I will wear one as it helps protect others because I may be asymptomatic and don't want to spread it to the other vulnerable populations. If you have questions as to if masks work or not, I encourage you to research countries where masks are the norm and their population has higher density than we do. The fact of the matter is: mask wearing has turned into a political thing. If you wear a mask you must be a liberal is the general belief in our state. I would actually love to see a poll where they get opinions from actual medical doctors to see the percentages in favor of masks.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby Bison-Vikes #1 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:41 pm

Good stuff as always Schwab:

1. Bringing back small town and bringing back main street America are 2 different things IMO. Also, bringing back brick and mortar businesses are not always necessary with the ability to utilize the internet to keep overhead down. Much more efficient ways to reduce square footage and still bring back main street. As for small towns coming back? Most small towns no longer have enough basic infrastructure to ever come back. Hopefully some of these small towns have entrepreneurs who can get people to move to their towns and work via utilization of the internet, satellites, etc. :D

2. My bigger point was the closing of businesses and "herding our population" through "gates". Social distancing was the big point early on and still is. By closing most businesses and herding the population into a few areas lacked common sense in my mind. It seemed exactly opposite of what they were preaching.

3. I disagree that everybody has to have their hand held. Symptoms and people who were more likely to catch the virus was known early on. Other than that, I concur with your post.

4. Agree with wearing a respirator protects the person using it. It's for inhalation protection. You are spot on with population density. However, did you also know that these other countries that you speak of utilized hydroxychloroquine in conjunction with zinc and azithromycin. Even in so called 3rd world countries, the use of the above "3-pack" early on had tremendous success. Touching on the political point of your statement, the only reason the use of the 3-pack was shot down in the US was because 1 person touted it as a possible aid in fighting the virus, therefore you could not discuss it, agree with it, or use it unless prescribed. Very sad that everything has become political. As for wearing a mask to protect others, I think it's fine. For me, I find myself constantly moving it and touching it, mask that is. Then touching something else without thinking. Having followed food safety manufacturing guidelines for years, washing your hands properly, staying home when sick, keeping your distance and covering your mouth if you have to cough or sneeze are all good practices. Wearing a mask is certainly an option if you choose. Staying home from events if you feel you are at high risk is common sense. But mandating these things are a stretch too far IMO.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby The Schwab » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:48 pm

I truly hate how everything has been politicized. I agree with most of what you said, but I don't know if we are ever going to agree on the mask issue. However, it's completely fine that we don't! Everyone is entitled to their opinions! I wish that people in power and running for power could be more civil. I think it would make our country a lot better and it would make me feel as if we weren't sitting on top of a powder keg.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby Bison-Vikes #1 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:58 pm

The Schwab wrote: but I don't know if we are ever going to agree on the mask issue. However, it's completely fine that we don't! Everyone is entitled to their opinions!


Homerun. What I have always appreciated about this website. Open dialogue and respecting other's opinions. Doesn't mean we have to agree, but being civilized and having discussions can be very eye opening. Well said.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby Bison-Vikes #1 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:02 pm

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/mas ... ial-policy

I enjoy reading/researching medical/scientific reports. Please read this article and tell me your thoughts. The most impressive findings start about half way through the article. It is very thorough with all studies and results attached. These studies have been around for over a decade. Funny how they are never allowed in main stream media vs. "opinions" from so called "experts". Follow the money. Let me have it.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby The Schwab » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:01 am

I quickly read through the items on your article. The bulk of these studies were done multiple years ago so I would question if the studies had everyone wearing masks (the infected and not infected). Masks don't prevent people from getting Covid-19, but they help infected people not spread it.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby classB4ever » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:35 am

NDPREP wrote:
"If it wasn't such a sad state of affairs it would almost be comical, this comes from the same people who abhor abortions, not saying I am for them but its the exact same reasoning they are against them, if it only saves 1 life, yet a cloth face covering is too much to ask, save a life and a livelihood. simple facts is one small gesture to help fellow humans is too much. this is the exact reason sports will be postponed and we have only ourselves to blame, I am glad we made it through football but if we can't at least take a little action then state B will be off again."

(Did not want to hijack the other thread any more than already so putting this here)
Do you not see the ultimate hypocrisy in your post? You are comparing abortion, where the woman asks to have a choice and the survival rate is 0%. Compared to people who are being mandated/fined (no choice) to wear a mask for a virus that if infected has a survival rate of 99.95% (0-49 years old released yesterday by CDC). Also, I am pro-choice and have been all my life for my own personal reasons and do not think abortion should be politicized. However, I have often wondered how it is a felony to destroy an eagle's egg but not a human's.
It's not the one small gesture of wearing masks. It's the way they have divided the nation over it. They make it "you against me", "them against us". That's what it's all about. You see it here. And there can't be any middle road. Businesses destroyed. Lives destroyed. All for a virus that is proving to have no worse mortality rate than other viruses. I have had covid. Know at least 20 other people who also have. Tired at first. Slight headache. I did lose my taste and smell. Starts coming back after a week or so. Myself, nor any other person I know who has had it went to the hospital or have any lasting effects.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby classB4ever » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:56 am

NDPREP wrote:

"Science is simple, cloth blocks respiratory particles that can carry the virus, everyone wears a mask we block 80-90% of transmissible pathogens. Trump also lost the election if we hadn't heard?

All we ever heard was the anecdotes about how tough the older generations have had it, up hill both ways and 2 feet of snow, who would have thought a piece of cloth would be the thing that brought them down and was the last straw...."

Absolutely do not agree with 80-90% blockage rate for pathogens using a cloth.

As for the election, it isn't over until states first certify election results and electoral votes cast. And like every other year, there will be challenges. However, if President Trump loses, so be it. Can guarantee you there won't be temper tantrums, rioting, looting, and nonstop media slander/bias for 4 years.

And for the last part, it doesn't seem like much of an analogy. If a person grew up in tougher times and doesn't feel like wearing a mask makes much sense concerning a virus with 99.9% survival rate, how is a piece of cloth the last straw and bringing them down? If a mask really is about protecting everybody else, then why doesn't the person just stay away from everybody else if they are afraid of spreading it? That's a personal choice.

My personal opinion on masks is this: Masks were designed for inhalation protection. When worn, a vacuum is created to help seal around the face and pull air through filtering media. When exhaling, the large volume of air will take the path of least resistance, which is generally around the mask. For complete sealed masks, they have exhaust ports to do this, allowing the exhausted air not to go back out through filter media. They have always been designed to protect the wearer. But, as this pandemic gathered steam, that logic didn't fit well with some things. Since if masks really did work for what there were designed for, the person wearing them would never inhale the virus, so how could they ever spread it? So, a different approach had to be sought. It had to show that it protected others. And here we are. I have said from the very beginning, please wear a mask if you feel safer doing it. Also, if it is required to go in buildings, etc., wear them if you want to go inside. Or don't go in. But I don't think they should be mandated throughout our society. This is my own personal opinion of course, and you may attack as you wish.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby The Schwab » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:59 am

We can debate all day long about the dividing of the nation, both sides of the issue are responsible for that. I know multiple people who have had the virus as well. Two of the people I know are in good physical health (both college athletes and still work out all the time). A month after being cleared one still has a resting heart rate of over 100 and one got winded walking a block when I was with them. The scariest thing to me about this virus is that we don't know how it's going to affect different people.
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Re: COVID-19 and the return of HS athletics

Postby WDA_fan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:52 pm

The Schwab wrote:We can debate all day long about the dividing of the nation, both sides of the issue are responsible for that. I know multiple people who have had the virus as well. Two of the people I know are in good physical health (both college athletes and still work out all the time). A month after being cleared one still has a resting heart rate of over 100 and one got winded walking a block when I was with them. The scariest thing to me about this virus is that we don't know how it's going to affect different people.


I could not agree more!! I know a collegiate distance runner (in very good condition obviously) didn't have to go to the hospital or anything with COVID but a month later still has trouble going up stairs or walking very far (to your point). Every illness affects everyone differently.

I do not understand the people that are freaking out about wanting to play high school sports but are not willing to wear a mask?
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